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	<title>Comments on: The &#8220;Single Story&#8221; of &#8220;Africa&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Erasing the City of Nairobi &#124; Scientopia Guests&#039; Blog</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/17/the-single-story-of-africa/comment-page-1/#comment-523889</link>
		<dc:creator>Erasing the City of Nairobi &#124; Scientopia Guests&#039; Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 17:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] also: How Not to Write about Africa and The Single Story of “Africa.”    Tags: Africa, Kenya, race, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: karinova</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/17/the-single-story-of-africa/comment-page-1/#comment-148089</link>
		<dc:creator>karinova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 05:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m so glad Chimamanda Adichie articulated this concept so beautifully.&quot;

As am I. And I just have to say: you did a pretty awesome job too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m so glad Chimamanda Adichie articulated this concept so beautifully.&#8221;</p>
<p>As am I. And I just have to say: you did a pretty awesome job too!</p>
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		<title>By: Chicho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chicho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great video and thank you so much for your own personal stories, Maggie Heater and Julia! This is why I love this site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great video and thank you so much for your own personal stories, Maggie Heater and Julia! This is why I love this site.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia Wise</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/17/the-single-story-of-africa/comment-page-1/#comment-144301</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia Wise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I caught myself in this fallacy when I finally read some of the &quot;No. 1 Ladies&#039; Detective Agency&quot; books (set in Botswana), after resisting them for years because I assumed any book set in Africa would be depressing because it would be about miserable people.  I read one and discovered that it was not about miserable people but about . . . people.  Honest and dishonest people, smart and silly people, people in love, people making tea and going about their daily lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I caught myself in this fallacy when I finally read some of the &#8220;No. 1 Ladies&#8217; Detective Agency&#8221; books (set in Botswana), after resisting them for years because I assumed any book set in Africa would be depressing because it would be about miserable people.  I read one and discovered that it was not about miserable people but about . . . people.  Honest and dishonest people, smart and silly people, people in love, people making tea and going about their daily lives.</p>
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		<title>By: heather leila</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/17/the-single-story-of-africa/comment-page-1/#comment-143996</link>
		<dc:creator>heather leila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Her story about her college roommate makes me remember the first time Shakira appeared on TRL and Carson Daily asked her how she was enjoying America and getting used to the ATMs and Burger Kings. She graciously said they have ATMs and Burger Kings in Colombia and that yes, she was enjoying her visit to New York, which she always enjoyed. I remember feeling so embarrassed for Carson Daily, and for all of us. It&#039;s true that Americans as a whole have so much to learn about this world. Although this is not a uniquely American problem. As a Peace Corps volunteer, I had to answer a lot of strange questions just like Carson Daily&#039;s, but about America. Questions like, do you have peanuts in America?, or you must be so hot here because your country is so cold (I&#039;m from Florida and was really ok with the heat in Mozambique). It&#039;s a worldwide problem, sure. But Americans need to do better.

I&#039;ve had lots of people tell me excitedly that they knew someone who was also a Peace Corps volunteer in Africa. A sister or cousin or friend. And when I ask where, in what country?, most people couldn&#039;t say. Just somewhere in Africa. I shutter to think that my own family thought I was just somewhere in Africa even when I had sent home maps circling my town. If it mattered to me, I can only imagine how frustrated Mozambicans or Nigerians or Senegalese feel when people act like they&#039;ve never even heard of their country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Her story about her college roommate makes me remember the first time Shakira appeared on TRL and Carson Daily asked her how she was enjoying America and getting used to the ATMs and Burger Kings. She graciously said they have ATMs and Burger Kings in Colombia and that yes, she was enjoying her visit to New York, which she always enjoyed. I remember feeling so embarrassed for Carson Daily, and for all of us. It&#8217;s true that Americans as a whole have so much to learn about this world. Although this is not a uniquely American problem. As a Peace Corps volunteer, I had to answer a lot of strange questions just like Carson Daily&#8217;s, but about America. Questions like, do you have peanuts in America?, or you must be so hot here because your country is so cold (I&#8217;m from Florida and was really ok with the heat in Mozambique). It&#8217;s a worldwide problem, sure. But Americans need to do better.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had lots of people tell me excitedly that they knew someone who was also a Peace Corps volunteer in Africa. A sister or cousin or friend. And when I ask where, in what country?, most people couldn&#8217;t say. Just somewhere in Africa. I shutter to think that my own family thought I was just somewhere in Africa even when I had sent home maps circling my town. If it mattered to me, I can only imagine how frustrated Mozambicans or Nigerians or Senegalese feel when people act like they&#8217;ve never even heard of their country.</p>
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		<title>By: AMarie</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/17/the-single-story-of-africa/comment-page-1/#comment-143830</link>
		<dc:creator>AMarie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel like I should make an on-topic comment- I LOVED LOVED LOVED this video.  It sums up what I&#039;ve been struggling to illustrate in my own life.  I realized how I lumped &quot;poverty-stricken nations&quot; together, and how others saw only that &quot;single story&quot; about people who looked like me.

Chimamanda Adichie rocks my socks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel like I should make an on-topic comment- I LOVED LOVED LOVED this video.  It sums up what I&#8217;ve been struggling to illustrate in my own life.  I realized how I lumped &#8220;poverty-stricken nations&#8221; together, and how others saw only that &#8220;single story&#8221; about people who looked like me.</p>
<p>Chimamanda Adichie rocks my socks!</p>
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		<title>By: MeToo</title>
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		<dc:creator>MeToo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think you understand the sociological meaning of &#039;ethnicity&#039; and how ethnicities are acquired by, and ascribed to, particular people groups. It&#039;s not a biological category or even a static social one, but a dynamic identity concept.

There&#039;s also an odd theme of &#039;authenticity&#039; vs. &#039;non-authenticity&#039; running throughout your comments on this post. Authenticity is, of course, a social construct (just as is &#039;ethnicity&#039;), not something which, in and of itself, is &#039;real&#039; in some cases and &#039;not real&#039; in others. All ethnicities are social &#039;fabrications&#039;, but that does not make them &#039;not real&#039;, it makes them *social realities*.

And there&#039;s certainly nothing &#039;superficial&#039; or &#039;not real&#039; about basing a collective social identity on a shared history of oppression. It&#039;s an extremely common phenomenon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think you understand the sociological meaning of &#8216;ethnicity&#8217; and how ethnicities are acquired by, and ascribed to, particular people groups. It&#8217;s not a biological category or even a static social one, but a dynamic identity concept.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also an odd theme of &#8216;authenticity&#8217; vs. &#8216;non-authenticity&#8217; running throughout your comments on this post. Authenticity is, of course, a social construct (just as is &#8216;ethnicity&#8217;), not something which, in and of itself, is &#8216;real&#8217; in some cases and &#8216;not real&#8217; in others. All ethnicities are social &#8216;fabrications&#8217;, but that does not make them &#8216;not real&#8217;, it makes them *social realities*.</p>
<p>And there&#8217;s certainly nothing &#8216;superficial&#8217; or &#8216;not real&#8217; about basing a collective social identity on a shared history of oppression. It&#8217;s an extremely common phenomenon.</p>
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		<title>By: a</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/17/the-single-story-of-africa/comment-page-1/#comment-143686</link>
		<dc:creator>a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AMarie, I was meaning that &quot;black&quot; &quot;african-american&quot; is not really a real ethnicity. It is just a group of african people lumped together based on superficial qualities. Usually superficial, I guess, since an african-american can be a person with a whitish skin, too. Anyhow, in terms of just this &quot;black&quot; &quot;culture&quot;, it is just a group of people and identity that came to existence due oppression and its superficial qualities. And perhaps some sort of very loose sense of shared ancestry. It is an artificial identity that does not really originate from any real sense of ethnicity or cultural background but more from the environment of american society that forced this group into existence by singling it out. &quot;Blackness&quot; is a false identity, people simply identify with such quality because they lack any real ethno-cultural sense of identity to build their sense of self. Pretty rootless, no?

Similarly just like &quot;blackness&quot; &quot;whiteness&quot; too is an artificial identity that ultimately originates from similar situation as &quot;blackness&quot;, with the difference that &quot;whites&quot; obviously had a different role in the society these fabrications are based on. What interests me is that you defend your &quot;blackness&quot; but still are more than ready to bash &quot;whiteness&quot; as it &quot;masks ethnicity and becomes constructed identity based upon class, and racial privilege&quot;. I agree but same goes for &quot;blackness&quot;, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AMarie, I was meaning that &#8220;black&#8221; &#8220;african-american&#8221; is not really a real ethnicity. It is just a group of african people lumped together based on superficial qualities. Usually superficial, I guess, since an african-american can be a person with a whitish skin, too. Anyhow, in terms of just this &#8220;black&#8221; &#8220;culture&#8221;, it is just a group of people and identity that came to existence due oppression and its superficial qualities. And perhaps some sort of very loose sense of shared ancestry. It is an artificial identity that does not really originate from any real sense of ethnicity or cultural background but more from the environment of american society that forced this group into existence by singling it out. &#8220;Blackness&#8221; is a false identity, people simply identify with such quality because they lack any real ethno-cultural sense of identity to build their sense of self. Pretty rootless, no?</p>
<p>Similarly just like &#8220;blackness&#8221; &#8220;whiteness&#8221; too is an artificial identity that ultimately originates from similar situation as &#8220;blackness&#8221;, with the difference that &#8220;whites&#8221; obviously had a different role in the society these fabrications are based on. What interests me is that you defend your &#8220;blackness&#8221; but still are more than ready to bash &#8220;whiteness&#8221; as it &#8220;masks ethnicity and becomes constructed identity based upon class, and racial privilege&#8221;. I agree but same goes for &#8220;blackness&#8221;, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/17/the-single-story-of-africa/comment-page-1/#comment-143685</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy, Chimamanda Adichie makes such a pervasive problem in media so clear. Bias. Ethnocentricity. Stereotyping. She&#039;s right in that it can be terribly dehumanizing.

When I lived in Syria for a few months, I watched a lot of BBC World because it was in English and my Arabic was shamefully bad. I distinctly remember seeing the end of a short feature on BBC World about a day in the life of a Southeast Asian family that had moved countries or something. It showed how they coped, how they practiced Islam in their new country, how they were happy together no matter where they were. It was a typical human interest piece, but my jaw dropped when I saw the family praying (Islamically) together and off-handedly mentioning how they were happy practicing Islam in their new country before moving on to talk about the issue at hand. This showed three things:

1.) Islam being practiced casually by a loving family.
2.) That practice being normalized (aka it was just a piece of the family&#039;s identity, not the entirety of it).
3.) That practice being shown as a positive thing without it being sensationalized.

I was raised Muslim in America, I&#039;ve been praying daily since I was in 8th grade, and Islam is something most of my family practices happily but doesn&#039;t make a bit deal about. Yet this human interest piece, which simply showed what I&#039;d been living my entire life, completely shocked me because I&#039;d never seen anything remotely like it on American TV or movies. I suddenly felt...validated? Humanized? I didn&#039;t have a word for it; I teared up and I didn&#039;t know why. And I&#039;d always thought all those Western images of scary Muslim men, battered Muslim women, terrorists, and &quot;othered foreigners&quot; weren&#039;t getting to me, even though everyone in my life knew those stereotypes weren&#039;t true.

&quot;The single story&quot; is such an insidious destructive force, and no matter how strong we think we are, it can still chip away at you. It&#039;s like the difference between having a friend who makes sexist jokes but assures you he&#039;s kidding and a friend who looks at him blankly because HE DOESN&#039;T EVEN GET THE JOKE. We&#039;re so used to the former that the latter blows our minds, even when it shouldn&#039;t because THE LATTER VALIDATES OUR OWN BASIC EXPERIENCES. I&#039;m so glad Chimamanda Adichie articulated this concept so beautifully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy, Chimamanda Adichie makes such a pervasive problem in media so clear. Bias. Ethnocentricity. Stereotyping. She&#8217;s right in that it can be terribly dehumanizing.</p>
<p>When I lived in Syria for a few months, I watched a lot of BBC World because it was in English and my Arabic was shamefully bad. I distinctly remember seeing the end of a short feature on BBC World about a day in the life of a Southeast Asian family that had moved countries or something. It showed how they coped, how they practiced Islam in their new country, how they were happy together no matter where they were. It was a typical human interest piece, but my jaw dropped when I saw the family praying (Islamically) together and off-handedly mentioning how they were happy practicing Islam in their new country before moving on to talk about the issue at hand. This showed three things:</p>
<p>1.) Islam being practiced casually by a loving family.<br />
2.) That practice being normalized (aka it was just a piece of the family&#8217;s identity, not the entirety of it).<br />
3.) That practice being shown as a positive thing without it being sensationalized.</p>
<p>I was raised Muslim in America, I&#8217;ve been praying daily since I was in 8th grade, and Islam is something most of my family practices happily but doesn&#8217;t make a bit deal about. Yet this human interest piece, which simply showed what I&#8217;d been living my entire life, completely shocked me because I&#8217;d never seen anything remotely like it on American TV or movies. I suddenly felt&#8230;validated? Humanized? I didn&#8217;t have a word for it; I teared up and I didn&#8217;t know why. And I&#8217;d always thought all those Western images of scary Muslim men, battered Muslim women, terrorists, and &#8220;othered foreigners&#8221; weren&#8217;t getting to me, even though everyone in my life knew those stereotypes weren&#8217;t true.</p>
<p>&#8220;The single story&#8221; is such an insidious destructive force, and no matter how strong we think we are, it can still chip away at you. It&#8217;s like the difference between having a friend who makes sexist jokes but assures you he&#8217;s kidding and a friend who looks at him blankly because HE DOESN&#8217;T EVEN GET THE JOKE. We&#8217;re so used to the former that the latter blows our minds, even when it shouldn&#8217;t because THE LATTER VALIDATES OUR OWN BASIC EXPERIENCES. I&#8217;m so glad Chimamanda Adichie articulated this concept so beautifully.</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, seriously. &quot;a&quot; needs to get the hell off this excellent site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, seriously. &#8220;a&#8221; needs to get the hell off this excellent site.</p>
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		<title>By: heather leila</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/17/the-single-story-of-africa/comment-page-1/#comment-143660</link>
		<dc:creator>heather leila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this nameless commenter has been here before. It seems to me they are simply trolling. This is the second time I&#039;ve seen this thread of &quot;Americans have no culture&quot; when it has little to do with the post. Since it&#039;s pretty obvious they&#039;re trying to rile us up, make us defensive and create threads that have nothing to do with the original post, I would ask Sociological Images readers to try to ignore it. Then maybe the troll will go away. 

This is a really interesting post and I would hate to see the discussion get started from this first comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this nameless commenter has been here before. It seems to me they are simply trolling. This is the second time I&#8217;ve seen this thread of &#8220;Americans have no culture&#8221; when it has little to do with the post. Since it&#8217;s pretty obvious they&#8217;re trying to rile us up, make us defensive and create threads that have nothing to do with the original post, I would ask Sociological Images readers to try to ignore it. Then maybe the troll will go away. </p>
<p>This is a really interesting post and I would hate to see the discussion get started from this first comment.</p>
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		<title>By: AMarie</title>
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		<dc:creator>AMarie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I object to your assessment of America&#039;s &quot;Black community&quot; as &quot;odd&quot; and &quot;founded on some sort of rootless sense of &#039;blackness.&#039;&quot;  

I am an African-American woman and I&#039;ve been blessed with the opportunity to study African diasporic histories.  I can attest that African-American culture is all at once American and global- not at all rootless.  My ancestors may have been uprooted from their land, but they made America their own when they became citizen soldiers in the Civil War and all subsequent wars.  At the same time, during the Civil Rights Movement, we saw a shift away from African-American Exceptionalism toward a more global understanding of racial, colonial and other forms of oppression.  African-Americans are not merely Americans with an &quot;odd&quot; culture... 

Much of what we know as &quot;black&quot; music originates from musical forms and linguistic intonations from West and Eastern Africa.  It is for more complex than you made it in your comment.

As for &quot;blackness,&quot; that warrants entire books.  Blackness could refer to a common shared experience by a group where race, class, social status, etc. intersect.  Blackness can also be a constructed and contingent identity that is reactionary to hegemonic structures in society.  That&#039;s only 2 possibilities... there are many more.

But you have a valid point with your mention of &quot;white Americans.&quot;  When whiteness masks ethnicity and becomes a constructed identity based upon class, and racial privilege... yah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I object to your assessment of America&#8217;s &#8220;Black community&#8221; as &#8220;odd&#8221; and &#8220;founded on some sort of rootless sense of &#8216;blackness.&#8217;&#8221;  </p>
<p>I am an African-American woman and I&#8217;ve been blessed with the opportunity to study African diasporic histories.  I can attest that African-American culture is all at once American and global- not at all rootless.  My ancestors may have been uprooted from their land, but they made America their own when they became citizen soldiers in the Civil War and all subsequent wars.  At the same time, during the Civil Rights Movement, we saw a shift away from African-American Exceptionalism toward a more global understanding of racial, colonial and other forms of oppression.  African-Americans are not merely Americans with an &#8220;odd&#8221; culture&#8230; </p>
<p>Much of what we know as &#8220;black&#8221; music originates from musical forms and linguistic intonations from West and Eastern Africa.  It is for more complex than you made it in your comment.</p>
<p>As for &#8220;blackness,&#8221; that warrants entire books.  Blackness could refer to a common shared experience by a group where race, class, social status, etc. intersect.  Blackness can also be a constructed and contingent identity that is reactionary to hegemonic structures in society.  That&#8217;s only 2 possibilities&#8230; there are many more.</p>
<p>But you have a valid point with your mention of &#8220;white Americans.&#8221;  When whiteness masks ethnicity and becomes a constructed identity based upon class, and racial privilege&#8230; yah</p>
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		<title>By: a</title>
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		<dc:creator>a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>USA is not exactly famous for intelligent people or people really having any real understanding of ethnicity or culture. Also, USA has this very odd black community that is founded on some sort of rootless sense of &quot;blackness&quot;, in other words countless of different ethnicities blended together from all around  Africa are being labelled as one group based on superficial qualities suhc as skin tone. These people have almost completely lost any real sense of ethnicity, unlike this Nigerian person that has a real cultural identity unlike these yank ex-slave black people that need to draw their sense of self from their sad past of the rootless oppressed existence of USA altogether. I can only begin to imagine how it must feel to be one of these people, no real ethnicity, no real culture, no real heritage, just this big nowhere on what they must try to build some identity on. Not that it is any different for &quot;whites&quot; in USA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>USA is not exactly famous for intelligent people or people really having any real understanding of ethnicity or culture. Also, USA has this very odd black community that is founded on some sort of rootless sense of &#8220;blackness&#8221;, in other words countless of different ethnicities blended together from all around  Africa are being labelled as one group based on superficial qualities suhc as skin tone. These people have almost completely lost any real sense of ethnicity, unlike this Nigerian person that has a real cultural identity unlike these yank ex-slave black people that need to draw their sense of self from their sad past of the rootless oppressed existence of USA altogether. I can only begin to imagine how it must feel to be one of these people, no real ethnicity, no real culture, no real heritage, just this big nowhere on what they must try to build some identity on. Not that it is any different for &#8220;whites&#8221; in USA.</p>
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