Uh… “pacifism” doesn’t mean “being passive.” I don’t see what the ideological stance of nonviolence has to do with anything else being discussed. Where is this quote even from?

I have also forwarded this discussion page onto other potentially interested people

I know that to change the problem that women must DO something to show them what we want, but I’m not sure how to go about it. Actually I was looking for the complaint page for Reebok so that I could give them a simliar, yet more dignified speech, and that is when I stumbled along this site :)

If only it were easier, and women were more wanting to band together, but history has shown that women are the most passive “minority” when it comes to aquiring new/equal rights. History has shown that women do not turn to violent means to get what they want, and other parts of history has shown that many times violence is what it takes to change policy. (I’m thinking of the civil rights movemnet here) (and I don’t mean to turn to violence for this cause,of course, I’m simply talking about when women were trying to get the right to vote, and other equal rights, which was a much more important topic/right than this.)

It also does not help that cause that many women are on the other side favoring the old roles of women, and how they should be submissive and such. :(

If anyone has any advice as to how to ‘complain *effectivly*’ it would be much appreciated! Thanks.

Women appeal to the men for obvious sexual reasons, and the women appeal to women for reasons of comparison/competition (ie, this is how I should look/what I should buy etc.. cause this woman in the ad, who is attractive or whatever, looks great it in/is buying …)

So if you can only do 1 ad with your ad $, best to use a women.

And instead of debating whether this is fair or not (which it obviously isn’t), women should start DOING something about it …

Eg: letting companies/products/merchants know that they’d luvvv to see men in ads, that men are/can be sexy and that they draw our attention and encourage/motivate our decisions.

This isn’t as easy as it seems as women’s ‘role’ is to be observed,admired,desired, whereas the men are the ‘observers,hunters’ etc..

this is old fashioned thinking but honestly, as much as female’s have advanced in this world, it’s clear that traditional underlying unconscious motivations are still the societal norm.

though Thank God for some recent men’s beauty,facial,preening products that’ve come onto the scene. Created some great print ads of sexy men to appreciate! and my pocketbook’s happy too, being ‘male’ products I’m not tempted to buy !

ps. a side note on society’s uneven playing field: larry king the other night asked tyra banks if there should be a male version of her supermodel show. reply: no, as unlike female models, no one can name the top male models in the industry today. the interest just isn’t there.