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		<title>By: V for Vegan: easyVegan.info &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Intersectionality &#8216;Round the Interwebs, No. 13: Boobs, bacon &#38; bigotry.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[V for Vegan: easyVegan.info &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Intersectionality &#8216;Round the Interwebs, No. 13: Boobs, bacon &#38; bigotry.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 00:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Smite Me! &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2009-11-19</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rachel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course eating vegetables is fun...but they&#039;re not really culturally celebrated the way meat and sweets are. And, in a culture where vegetables are hated on and it&#039;s generally regarded a duty or chore to eat them...no, it&#039;s not an out of place interpretation...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course eating vegetables is fun&#8230;but they&#8217;re not really culturally celebrated the way meat and sweets are. And, in a culture where vegetables are hated on and it&#8217;s generally regarded a duty or chore to eat them&#8230;no, it&#8217;s not an out of place interpretation&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rachel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[YES. If we can&#039;t be sure that it&#039;s a &quot;cultural baseline&quot; based on people we know, you can&#039;t proceed to tell us like it really is based on people you know...what a &quot;silly idea.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YES. If we can&#8217;t be sure that it&#8217;s a &#8220;cultural baseline&#8221; based on people we know, you can&#8217;t proceed to tell us like it really is based on people you know&#8230;what a &#8220;silly idea.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bagelsan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bagelsan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;This part is fading now; these days, few people actually believe it. It’s referenced now mostly as an object of scorn and backlash. (Google the phrase “salad on a date,” in quotes.)&lt;/i&gt;

I guess nowadays you&#039;re supposed to eat &quot;guy&quot; food... and still be skinny, though, natch.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>This part is fading now; these days, few people actually believe it. It’s referenced now mostly as an object of scorn and backlash. (Google the phrase “salad on a date,” in quotes.)</i></p>
<p>I guess nowadays you&#8217;re supposed to eat &#8220;guy&#8221; food&#8230; and still be skinny, though, natch.</p>
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		<title>By: becky</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[becky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve had more than one waiter attempt to give me the salad my husband ordered.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had more than one waiter attempt to give me the salad my husband ordered.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sabriel - I was thinking of Popeye when I saw this too!

I half-agree with the idea of salad being gendered feminine. When it comes to restaurant behavior, I find that there&#039;s no gender association with the act of eating a salad as a starter or side. However, choosing salad as a main course is regarded in Northern Europe and much of North America as a feminine behavior.

There&#039;s a cultural and an agricultural component to this. The former, obviously, is the idea that women are more concerned about their appearance, worried about gaining weight, and somewhat masochistic in their pursuit of beauty compared to men. Surely, only a person on a diet would eat a salad when they could have a bowl of pasta or a steak! The latter is more subtle - I find that in more mediterranean or tropical climates, where more vegetables are fresh and appealing year-round, salads are more universally favored. 

In other words - if you live in a place where salad is always really, really nice and the weather is warm (California, Israel, Vietnam...) there&#039;s no symbolism attached to making it a nice refreshing meal meal. If you live in the cabbage belt, it means sacrificing pleasure for vanity. And we only expect women to do that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sabriel &#8211; I was thinking of Popeye when I saw this too!</p>
<p>I half-agree with the idea of salad being gendered feminine. When it comes to restaurant behavior, I find that there&#8217;s no gender association with the act of eating a salad as a starter or side. However, choosing salad as a main course is regarded in Northern Europe and much of North America as a feminine behavior.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a cultural and an agricultural component to this. The former, obviously, is the idea that women are more concerned about their appearance, worried about gaining weight, and somewhat masochistic in their pursuit of beauty compared to men. Surely, only a person on a diet would eat a salad when they could have a bowl of pasta or a steak! The latter is more subtle &#8211; I find that in more mediterranean or tropical climates, where more vegetables are fresh and appealing year-round, salads are more universally favored. </p>
<p>In other words &#8211; if you live in a place where salad is always really, really nice and the weather is warm (California, Israel, Vietnam&#8230;) there&#8217;s no symbolism attached to making it a nice refreshing meal meal. If you live in the cabbage belt, it means sacrificing pleasure for vanity. And we only expect women to do that.</p>
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		<title>By: caity</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[caity]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Real men don&#039;t eat quiche&quot; is an old old saying, and is also the title of a book from the early 80s-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Men_Don&#039;t_Eat_Quiche

Meanwhile, reading this post, what is going through my head is Bart and Homer singing &quot;You don&#039;t make friends with salad&quot;, conga line style, from the episode of the Simpsons where Lisa becomes a vegetarian.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Real men don&#8217;t eat quiche&#8221; is an old old saying, and is also the title of a book from the early 80s-<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Men_Don&#039;t_Eat_Quiche" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Men_Don&#039;t_Eat_Quiche</a></p>
<p>Meanwhile, reading this post, what is going through my head is Bart and Homer singing &#8220;You don&#8217;t make friends with salad&#8221;, conga line style, from the episode of the Simpsons where Lisa becomes a vegetarian.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting. I&#039;m female, I&#039;m a vegetarian even, and I almost never eat salad. It&#039;s not filling, it&#039;s not a meal.

I don&#039;t really like/eat cake either, but my boyfriend sure does.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. I&#8217;m female, I&#8217;m a vegetarian even, and I almost never eat salad. It&#8217;s not filling, it&#8217;s not a meal.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really like/eat cake either, but my boyfriend sure does.</p>
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		<title>By: karinova</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[karinova]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 23:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Ed:
To refer to a belief is not necessarily &quot;to support or give credence&quot; to it. Sasquatch doesn&#039;t exist, but its legend certainly does. It is indeed silly, but it&#039;s a fact that salad-as-girl-food &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; a well-known meme. Frankly, I find it hard to believe you&#039;re not aware of it.

The main basis is the notion that &quot;dieting is girly&quot; (because all women are assumed to be on a diet). Dieting usually calls for salads. Therefore, salad is girly. By extension, salad is not &quot;manly.&quot; For a salad to be manly it must be covered in meat, cheese and fat. That is, things that are not diet-friendly (and thus not girl-friendly).
See, for example, Taco Bell&#039;s latest: the &quot;Fully-Loaded&quot; taco salad, which is touted as &quot;The Un-Salad&quot; (meaning that it&#039;s diet-hostile; it contains 75g of fat) and is unmistakably, undeniably, targeted at men. This part of the meme is usually expressed jokingly (as in the TB ads), but I think a lot of people actually believe this at some level. 

The other part is the &quot;salad on a date&quot; cliché, which states that a woman on a first date will (at one time, &quot;should&quot;) only order a salad because:
  a) she&#039;s on a diet, natch;
  b) she must seem like a delicate flower of femininity; and
  c) she mustn&#039;t order anything too expensive, lest she seem like a gold-digger.
This part is fading now; these days, few people actually believe it. It&#039;s referenced now mostly as an object of scorn and backlash. (Google the phrase &quot;salad on a date,&quot; in quotes.) Of course, there could only &lt;i&gt;be&lt;/i&gt; a backlash because it was so prevalent for so long.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ed:<br />
To refer to a belief is not necessarily &#8220;to support or give credence&#8221; to it. Sasquatch doesn&#8217;t exist, but its legend certainly does. It is indeed silly, but it&#8217;s a fact that salad-as-girl-food <b><i>is</i></b> a well-known meme. Frankly, I find it hard to believe you&#8217;re not aware of it.</p>
<p>The main basis is the notion that &#8220;dieting is girly&#8221; (because all women are assumed to be on a diet). Dieting usually calls for salads. Therefore, salad is girly. By extension, salad is not &#8220;manly.&#8221; For a salad to be manly it must be covered in meat, cheese and fat. That is, things that are not diet-friendly (and thus not girl-friendly).<br />
See, for example, Taco Bell&#8217;s latest: the &#8220;Fully-Loaded&#8221; taco salad, which is touted as &#8220;The Un-Salad&#8221; (meaning that it&#8217;s diet-hostile; it contains 75g of fat) and is unmistakably, undeniably, targeted at men. This part of the meme is usually expressed jokingly (as in the TB ads), but I think a lot of people actually believe this at some level. </p>
<p>The other part is the &#8220;salad on a date&#8221; cliché, which states that a woman on a first date will (at one time, &#8220;should&#8221;) only order a salad because:<br />
  a) she&#8217;s on a diet, natch;<br />
  b) she must seem like a delicate flower of femininity; and<br />
  c) she mustn&#8217;t order anything too expensive, lest she seem like a gold-digger.<br />
This part is fading now; these days, few people actually believe it. It&#8217;s referenced now mostly as an object of scorn and backlash. (Google the phrase &#8220;salad on a date,&#8221; in quotes.) Of course, there could only <i>be</i> a backlash because it was so prevalent for so long.</p>
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		<title>By: Louche</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Louche]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 23:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That interpretation seems completely out of place to me. Not to mention that eating vegetables *is* fun. I really like this ad; I wanna use it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That interpretation seems completely out of place to me. Not to mention that eating vegetables *is* fun. I really like this ad; I wanna use it!</p>
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		<title>By: Caeristhiona</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Caeristhiona]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just for the (redundant) record, yeah, I grew up in the midwest and NONE of my friends&#039; dads or older brothers (or my own older male friends, when I got a bit older myself) would eat a long list of things because they were too girly.

Top of the list? Salad and quiche.  :)  Of course, this was in the 80s and early 90s, and I think Seinfeld kind of ruined quiche for everybody.

Now I live on the West Coast, in liberal southern California, and I expected things to be different -- after all, fresh fruit and veg is so easy to find and so cheap out here, salads must be really delicious and popular, right?

But among my parents&#039; set, which is 90% white, very conservative, Republican, evangelical Christian, the men STILL refuse to eat salads, saying that it&#039;s a &quot;wife&quot; thing.

So at church picnics, the women all sit around and eat salad and dessert, and the men all eat fried chicken and potatoes.

And yes, their explanation is specifically that salad and cake are &quot;girl food.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for the (redundant) record, yeah, I grew up in the midwest and NONE of my friends&#8217; dads or older brothers (or my own older male friends, when I got a bit older myself) would eat a long list of things because they were too girly.</p>
<p>Top of the list? Salad and quiche.  :)  Of course, this was in the 80s and early 90s, and I think Seinfeld kind of ruined quiche for everybody.</p>
<p>Now I live on the West Coast, in liberal southern California, and I expected things to be different &#8212; after all, fresh fruit and veg is so easy to find and so cheap out here, salads must be really delicious and popular, right?</p>
<p>But among my parents&#8217; set, which is 90% white, very conservative, Republican, evangelical Christian, the men STILL refuse to eat salads, saying that it&#8217;s a &#8220;wife&#8221; thing.</p>
<p>So at church picnics, the women all sit around and eat salad and dessert, and the men all eat fried chicken and potatoes.</p>
<p>And yes, their explanation is specifically that salad and cake are &#8220;girl food.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Caeristhiona</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Caeristhiona]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought of that as soon as I saw this post!  I still eat spinach salads in order to be big and strong like Popeye.  But then, I&#039;m a girl.  ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought of that as soon as I saw this post!  I still eat spinach salads in order to be big and strong like Popeye.  But then, I&#8217;m a girl.  ;)</p>
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		<title>By: lsmsrbls</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lsmsrbls]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 02:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Um, no. You are assuming that your limited experiences are indicative of society as a whole, not the other way around. As a server who worked in several different cities, I often heard men refer to salads as &quot;rabbit&quot; (read &quot;sissy&quot;) food.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, no. You are assuming that your limited experiences are indicative of society as a whole, not the other way around. As a server who worked in several different cities, I often heard men refer to salads as &#8220;rabbit&#8221; (read &#8220;sissy&#8221;) food.</p>
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		<title>By: rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rachel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 02:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[maybe it means that Americans need to &quot;toughen up&quot; and eat vegetables? like, &quot;suck it up&quot; and eat the vegetables, even though it&#039;s not fun?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maybe it means that Americans need to &#8220;toughen up&#8221; and eat vegetables? like, &#8220;suck it up&#8221; and eat the vegetables, even though it&#8217;s not fun?</p>
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