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	<title>Comments on: Nontsikelelo Veleko and South African Fashion</title>
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		<title>By: lyssa</title>
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		<dc:creator>lyssa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 13:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I...I don&#039;t...I love them all so much, lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8230;I don&#8217;t&#8230;I love them all so much, lol</p>
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		<title>By: Caeristhiona</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caeristhiona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the very last picture.  For one thing, she&#039;s totally my style, and I covet her jacket and glasses. (And hair, for that matter.)  But for another, it is SO wonderful to see someone who actually wears my size of clothes being held up as a paragon of beauty and style -- and there&#039;s no denying it, she is very beautiful.  I&#039;d so much rather emulate someone like this than the so-called plus-sized-shapeless-bags-for-size-8-fatties that we get stateside.

Seriously, can we get more of this woman on the runways?  She is awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the very last picture.  For one thing, she&#8217;s totally my style, and I covet her jacket and glasses. (And hair, for that matter.)  But for another, it is SO wonderful to see someone who actually wears my size of clothes being held up as a paragon of beauty and style &#8212; and there&#8217;s no denying it, she is very beautiful.  I&#8217;d so much rather emulate someone like this than the so-called plus-sized-shapeless-bags-for-size-8-fatties that we get stateside.</p>
<p>Seriously, can we get more of this woman on the runways?  She is awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: The Amazing Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Amazing Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 02:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my! These people dress like me! I have to get myself to South Africa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my! These people dress like me! I have to get myself to South Africa.</p>
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		<title>By: Joy-Mari Cloete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joy-Mari Cloete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, finally! Yeah, there are South African style blogs but most of them are also very...white-centric. This is refreshing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, finally! Yeah, there are South African style blogs but most of them are also very&#8230;white-centric. This is refreshing.</p>
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		<title>By: PattiLain</title>
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		<dc:creator>PattiLain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 09:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigh, so nice to see SA depicted in a different way than the usual. Sure, not everyone dresses like this, but it&#039;s not rare to see. Truth is, South Africans (that I&#039;ve seen) dress... just like everybody else. And I think the last place you&#039;d see a safari themed room would be someone&#039;s house here in SA. Truth is... the animal prints, wooden giraffes and beaded zebras are more for the tourists than anyone else.

Also, THREE CHEERS for something that isn&#039;t complete media/cultural imperialism!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh, so nice to see SA depicted in a different way than the usual. Sure, not everyone dresses like this, but it&#8217;s not rare to see. Truth is, South Africans (that I&#8217;ve seen) dress&#8230; just like everybody else. And I think the last place you&#8217;d see a safari themed room would be someone&#8217;s house here in SA. Truth is&#8230; the animal prints, wooden giraffes and beaded zebras are more for the tourists than anyone else.</p>
<p>Also, THREE CHEERS for something that isn&#8217;t complete media/cultural imperialism!</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 04:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh my gosh that is awesome, especially the first three. i followed the link to the original post and all those outfits are just as great too. it seems in every other fashion blog/community i follow 95% of the posters are skinny, white, first-world girls. so great to see people rocking something different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh my gosh that is awesome, especially the first three. i followed the link to the original post and all those outfits are just as great too. it seems in every other fashion blog/community i follow 95% of the posters are skinny, white, first-world girls. so great to see people rocking something different.</p>
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		<title>By: Tlönista</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tlönista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 02:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG camo and espadrilles YES. A lot more daring than anything you&#039;d see on the Sartorialist!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG camo and espadrilles YES. A lot more daring than anything you&#8217;d see on the Sartorialist!</p>
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		<title>By: MC</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/22/guest-post-nontsikelelo-veleko-and-african-fashion/comment-page-1/#comment-130841</link>
		<dc:creator>MC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also, in the original context of the community, it is largely international (while it is US, UK, and scandianvia-heavy) and &quot;post photos of your hometown!&quot; or &quot;tell us about your country!&quot; posts are the norm there.  the poster herself was a member from ghana who presumably was posting these to share things she loved about fashion and/or culture where she grew up, and while perhaps some commenters in the community were a bit naieve or fetishy in their reponses, generally seemed extremely receptive and enthusiastic about the post and many, ranging from nigerian-born fashion designers to american girls in wisconsin, wanted to engage in conversation or wanted to know more, and a number of comments remarked things like &#039;i like seeing other brown people here&#039; or &#039;i&#039;m from south africa and i&#039;m so glad you posted!&#039; or &#039;this is so refreshing from what i usually see in fashion!&#039;   

not to say that&#039;s not fetishistic or marginaization or &#039;othering&#039; -- and while good intentions obviously don&#039;t prevent racism -- i find this sort of thing far more refreshing than zebra print high fashion and &#039;tribal&#039; prints and wood necklaces. isn&#039;t &#039;personal style&#039; or &#039;street style&#039; much more representative of culture than &#039;high fashion&#039;? wouldn&#039;t a college student identifying or being interested by a picture of a south african peer be notably less &#039;othering&#039; than, probably, their anthropology textbook?

furthermore, i would see infinite potential for opening discussion about postcolonialism and race relations as conveyed here specifically THROUGH fashion -- the mix of &#039;british&#039; and &#039;traditional&#039; styles is pretty obvious and is a great access point to open conversation about these things and their causes, effects, and implications, rather than relying on the &#039;stereotypical tribal chic&#039; the poster riled against.  i am sure people would love to hear these young people talk about how and why the politics and history of their country might affect their style, and i think it would most likely be a largely effective discussion.    

the similarity to street fashion photographs in new york or stockholm in fact places these young people in the same context as blonde swedish models wearing dior exiting their fashion shows in paris -- quite the opposite from placing them behind glass in a diorama in a racist natural history museum, which is how most &#039;americans&#039; think of &#039;africans&#039;. i think it&#039;s extremely interesting to see a community like blackcigarette respond so well -- and yes, many readers probably are falling into fetishization of the subaltern and whatnot -- but considering the amazing near-absence of minorities at ALL in ANY sort of high fashion that isn&#039;t specifically marketed to the urban/hip-hop community (unless we&#039;re putting black models in editorials about africa running around with elephants or whatever that dreadful vogue spread was), i would absolutely commend the photographer and poster for bringing some amount of diversity to this colorless media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also, in the original context of the community, it is largely international (while it is US, UK, and scandianvia-heavy) and &#8220;post photos of your hometown!&#8221; or &#8220;tell us about your country!&#8221; posts are the norm there.  the poster herself was a member from ghana who presumably was posting these to share things she loved about fashion and/or culture where she grew up, and while perhaps some commenters in the community were a bit naieve or fetishy in their reponses, generally seemed extremely receptive and enthusiastic about the post and many, ranging from nigerian-born fashion designers to american girls in wisconsin, wanted to engage in conversation or wanted to know more, and a number of comments remarked things like &#8216;i like seeing other brown people here&#8217; or &#8216;i&#8217;m from south africa and i&#8217;m so glad you posted!&#8217; or &#8216;this is so refreshing from what i usually see in fashion!&#8217;   </p>
<p>not to say that&#8217;s not fetishistic or marginaization or &#8216;othering&#8217; &#8212; and while good intentions obviously don&#8217;t prevent racism &#8212; i find this sort of thing far more refreshing than zebra print high fashion and &#8216;tribal&#8217; prints and wood necklaces. isn&#8217;t &#8216;personal style&#8217; or &#8216;street style&#8217; much more representative of culture than &#8216;high fashion&#8217;? wouldn&#8217;t a college student identifying or being interested by a picture of a south african peer be notably less &#8216;othering&#8217; than, probably, their anthropology textbook?</p>
<p>furthermore, i would see infinite potential for opening discussion about postcolonialism and race relations as conveyed here specifically THROUGH fashion &#8212; the mix of &#8216;british&#8217; and &#8216;traditional&#8217; styles is pretty obvious and is a great access point to open conversation about these things and their causes, effects, and implications, rather than relying on the &#8216;stereotypical tribal chic&#8217; the poster riled against.  i am sure people would love to hear these young people talk about how and why the politics and history of their country might affect their style, and i think it would most likely be a largely effective discussion.    </p>
<p>the similarity to street fashion photographs in new york or stockholm in fact places these young people in the same context as blonde swedish models wearing dior exiting their fashion shows in paris &#8212; quite the opposite from placing them behind glass in a diorama in a racist natural history museum, which is how most &#8216;americans&#8217; think of &#8216;africans&#8217;. i think it&#8217;s extremely interesting to see a community like blackcigarette respond so well &#8212; and yes, many readers probably are falling into fetishization of the subaltern and whatnot &#8212; but considering the amazing near-absence of minorities at ALL in ANY sort of high fashion that isn&#8217;t specifically marketed to the urban/hip-hop community (unless we&#8217;re putting black models in editorials about africa running around with elephants or whatever that dreadful vogue spread was), i would absolutely commend the photographer and poster for bringing some amount of diversity to this colorless media.</p>
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		<title>By: MC</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/22/guest-post-nontsikelelo-veleko-and-african-fashion/comment-page-1/#comment-130791</link>
		<dc:creator>MC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>because obviously i&#039;m one of my favorite internet folks. whoops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>because obviously i&#8217;m one of my favorite internet folks. whoops.</p>
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		<title>By: MC</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/22/guest-post-nontsikelelo-veleko-and-african-fashion/comment-page-1/#comment-130790</link>
		<dc:creator>MC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HAHAHA. HRO and contexts, my daily blog rounds for sociological commentary.

i like this post because
1.) as someone way too into fashion, i hate when people disregard it as &#039;anti intellectual&#039; and am sick of defending why blogging about fashion and culture and sociology is neither incompatible nor shallow, and 
2.) the ladies (and a few gents) who post at blackcigarette (myself included) are all some of my favourite internet folks. YES.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HAHAHA. HRO and contexts, my daily blog rounds for sociological commentary.</p>
<p>i like this post because<br />
1.) as someone way too into fashion, i hate when people disregard it as &#8216;anti intellectual&#8217; and am sick of defending why blogging about fashion and culture and sociology is neither incompatible nor shallow, and<br />
2.) the ladies (and a few gents) who post at blackcigarette (myself included) are all some of my favourite internet folks. YES.</p>
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		<title>By: nowgoesquickly</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/22/guest-post-nontsikelelo-veleko-and-african-fashion/comment-page-1/#comment-130778</link>
		<dc:creator>nowgoesquickly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremiah, how is it othering to call attention to an oft-overlooked niche of street fashion? Nobody is saying that all South Africans dress like the people in these photographs; they&#039;re pointing out that ideas of style such as those exhibited in these photos are typically ignored because they fall outside of the (predominantly white) mainstream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremiah, how is it othering to call attention to an oft-overlooked niche of street fashion? Nobody is saying that all South Africans dress like the people in these photographs; they&#8217;re pointing out that ideas of style such as those exhibited in these photos are typically ignored because they fall outside of the (predominantly white) mainstream.</p>
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		<title>By: múm</title>
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		<dc:creator>múm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think many of the guys and girls on the photos are blipsters...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think many of the guys and girls on the photos are blipsters&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>..and Africans dress like *this!* AMIRITE?!?


I write post-neocolonial pre-pagan masculinistic comments on transnational websites with words.

In all the seriousness I can muster about this post, I wonder if you see the irony in your framing here or not. Despite the invocation of various code words (transnational feminist ftw) that tell us that when YOU photograph South Africans, it&#039;s totally not racist in any way, this is still a form of &quot;othering&quot;, and it&#039;s just as insidious as when white people you don&#039;t like do the same thing.

IMHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>..and Africans dress like *this!* AMIRITE?!?</p>
<p>I write post-neocolonial pre-pagan masculinistic comments on transnational websites with words.</p>
<p>In all the seriousness I can muster about this post, I wonder if you see the irony in your framing here or not. Despite the invocation of various code words (transnational feminist ftw) that tell us that when YOU photograph South Africans, it&#8217;s totally not racist in any way, this is still a form of &#8220;othering&#8221;, and it&#8217;s just as insidious as when white people you don&#8217;t like do the same thing.</p>
<p>IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: HazelStone</title>
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		<dc:creator>HazelStone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Orange socks woman ROCKS!</description>
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		<title>By: Mimi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks again for the repost! I just wanted to note that I did tweak the original post a bit with the following brief addition being the most significant tweak:

In the photographs found at &quot;Don&#039;t Sleep On Africa,&quot; we see a much more nuanced postcolonial aesthetics reflecting multiple modernities as well as unalterable histories: these include the multiple imperial enterprises of the &quot;scramble for Africa,&quot; but also the circuits of what Paul Gilroy called the &quot;black Atlantic,&quot; through which we might &lt;i&gt;look again&lt;/i&gt; at these photographs, their performativity and politics of consumption. In doing so, we might find in some of these images a subtle critique of the West&#039;s cultural realities, through which those familiar fashionable markers of &quot;tribal chic&quot; (zebra stripes, for instance), when they do appear, are rendered insistently, assuredly modern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks again for the repost! I just wanted to note that I did tweak the original post a bit with the following brief addition being the most significant tweak:</p>
<p>In the photographs found at &#8220;Don&#8217;t Sleep On Africa,&#8221; we see a much more nuanced postcolonial aesthetics reflecting multiple modernities as well as unalterable histories: these include the multiple imperial enterprises of the &#8220;scramble for Africa,&#8221; but also the circuits of what Paul Gilroy called the &#8220;black Atlantic,&#8221; through which we might <i>look again</i> at these photographs, their performativity and politics of consumption. In doing so, we might find in some of these images a subtle critique of the West&#8217;s cultural realities, through which those familiar fashionable markers of &#8220;tribal chic&#8221; (zebra stripes, for instance), when they do appear, are rendered insistently, assuredly modern.</p>
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