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		<title>By: Alessandra's cousin</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/20/oh-the-things-girls-can-be/comment-page-1/#comment-450594</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alessandra's cousin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2011 05:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, it was because Alessandra was debating some ignorant, liberal views on sexuality at the time, and so she conveniently linked to this pedophilia scandal information, to educate the morons she was debating with. I&#039;m sure you don&#039;t understand how cookies function in websites.

And yes, quite old article, but you are still obsessing about Alessandra? Funny!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it was because Alessandra was debating some ignorant, liberal views on sexuality at the time, and so she conveniently linked to this pedophilia scandal information, to educate the morons she was debating with. I&#8217;m sure you don&#8217;t understand how cookies function in websites.</p>
<p>And yes, quite old article, but you are still obsessing about Alessandra? Funny!</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/20/oh-the-things-girls-can-be/comment-page-1/#comment-450079</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elizabeth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 05:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Old article, but has anyone noticed that Alessandra&#039;s username links to NARTH?

She&#039;s a troll!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old article, but has anyone noticed that Alessandra&#8217;s username links to NARTH?</p>
<p>She&#8217;s a troll!</p>
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		<title>By: lyssa</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/20/oh-the-things-girls-can-be/comment-page-1/#comment-343954</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lyssa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 13:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Took the words right out of my mouth.

I was playing Tekken at 6 and I continued to play &quot;boy&quot; games and I still do. I /do/ like plenty of those puzzle games and such (&quot;girly&quot; games), but nothing beats a good ol&#039; game of Tekken and/or Mortal Kombat (with the blood on high) &gt;:D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Took the words right out of my mouth.</p>
<p>I was playing Tekken at 6 and I continued to play &#8220;boy&#8221; games and I still do. I /do/ like plenty of those puzzle games and such (&#8220;girly&#8221; games), but nothing beats a good ol&#8217; game of Tekken and/or Mortal Kombat (with the blood on high) &gt;:D</p>
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		<title>By: Tatiana von Tauber</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/20/oh-the-things-girls-can-be/comment-page-1/#comment-130697</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tatiana von Tauber]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed there&#039;s nothing wrong w/these careers per se.  I&#039;m primarily a stay at home mom, which often equates to the &quot;Imagine Babysitter&quot; game.  (not sure I like that)  I found, however, when looking for games for my daughter, she&#039;s annoyed at all the gender based games at girls her age (preteen).  She&#039;s become aware of how media and toy companies attempt to mold young girls with frivilous stuff such as fashion and appearance and has often commented there&#039;s never anything there that stimulates her interests which happens to involve more mindful creativity; but unfortunately, these types of girly topics is the center of her classmates&#039; conversations. Is media merely feeding girls what they want or does media directly shape it? She was particularly annoyed at what&#039;s been done with Strawberry Shortcake having grown up with her back when she wasn&#039;t trying to be a teenage superficial ding-dong.  Sadly, these are the kinds of visual images kids get about &quot;being a girl&quot; (many post-toddler cartoons are increasingly showing girls as powerful but via girly-girl fluff).  My toddler loves trucks and gets happy when we pass by construction sites. My son loves the color pink.  Think of how this gender based society trips me up with child-rearing! :-) What&#039;s odd to me is that I feel there&#039;s a sense of increase in the gender segregation through the youth market but I&#039;m unsure if that&#039;s true or just my perception because my kids often don&#039;t fit typical gender behavior; they exhibit both male and female interests and I encourage that.

Good food for thought.  Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed there&#8217;s nothing wrong w/these careers per se.  I&#8217;m primarily a stay at home mom, which often equates to the &#8220;Imagine Babysitter&#8221; game.  (not sure I like that)  I found, however, when looking for games for my daughter, she&#8217;s annoyed at all the gender based games at girls her age (preteen).  She&#8217;s become aware of how media and toy companies attempt to mold young girls with frivilous stuff such as fashion and appearance and has often commented there&#8217;s never anything there that stimulates her interests which happens to involve more mindful creativity; but unfortunately, these types of girly topics is the center of her classmates&#8217; conversations. Is media merely feeding girls what they want or does media directly shape it? She was particularly annoyed at what&#8217;s been done with Strawberry Shortcake having grown up with her back when she wasn&#8217;t trying to be a teenage superficial ding-dong.  Sadly, these are the kinds of visual images kids get about &#8220;being a girl&#8221; (many post-toddler cartoons are increasingly showing girls as powerful but via girly-girl fluff).  My toddler loves trucks and gets happy when we pass by construction sites. My son loves the color pink.  Think of how this gender based society trips me up with child-rearing! :-) What&#8217;s odd to me is that I feel there&#8217;s a sense of increase in the gender segregation through the youth market but I&#8217;m unsure if that&#8217;s true or just my perception because my kids often don&#8217;t fit typical gender behavior; they exhibit both male and female interests and I encourage that.</p>
<p>Good food for thought.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Alessandra</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/20/oh-the-things-girls-can-be/comment-page-1/#comment-130537</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alessandra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 06:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They should do away with the subtleties. The next titles read like the ones below.

I can’t wait to grow up and be…

A. Pregnant

=====================
I just hope the women who don&#039;t like the idea of becoming pregnant never do. And the same goes for women who have too many mental problems to have sex with a man in order to get pregnant. Or the ones who use abortion as a contraceptive method.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They should do away with the subtleties. The next titles read like the ones below.</p>
<p>I can’t wait to grow up and be…</p>
<p>A. Pregnant</p>
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I just hope the women who don&#8217;t like the idea of becoming pregnant never do. And the same goes for women who have too many mental problems to have sex with a man in order to get pregnant. Or the ones who use abortion as a contraceptive method.</p>
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		<title>By: Alessandra</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/20/oh-the-things-girls-can-be/comment-page-1/#comment-130536</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alessandra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 06:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(I hope the German is OK).

No, it’s not.
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I was referring to the translation into German. 

The issue is not if the comparison is disturbing, but if it is on target. 

I would say this comparison may disturb some people because it addresses issues they irresponsibly neglect.

For a lot of people, one of the basic prinicples of feminism is for women to be more and more like men, without thinking about what men are in the first place. 

Women are sold this idea that to be like men and to do the things that men do obligatorily  means achieving something automatically of value, good, and desirable, simply because men had possession of it traditionally. 

This way of thinking neglects an examination of much more problematic core dynamics of a particular society, which are irrespective of gender. 

Underlying problems with such core dynamics are often camouflaged under  gender discriminition. Many women think that behaving more and more like men means they &quot;have made it.&quot; Nothing could be more shortsighted.

Examples include, but are certainly not limited to, women becoming workaholics, women consuming large amounts of alcohol and binge drinking (behaving more and more *like men*), swearing (talking more and more *like men*), consuming pornography (and thinking about sexuality more and more *like men*), having a perverse and perverted sexuality, taking testosterone to cheat at sports, being highly promiscuous because of an inability to form sustainable personal relationships, being white collar criminals, corrupt politicians, etc. 

&quot;Equality will set you free&quot; is such a wonderful play on the original &quot;Arbeit Mach Frei&quot; in this context. Animal Farm comes to mind too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(I hope the German is OK).</p>
<p>No, it’s not.<br />
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<p>I was referring to the translation into German. </p>
<p>The issue is not if the comparison is disturbing, but if it is on target. </p>
<p>I would say this comparison may disturb some people because it addresses issues they irresponsibly neglect.</p>
<p>For a lot of people, one of the basic prinicples of feminism is for women to be more and more like men, without thinking about what men are in the first place. </p>
<p>Women are sold this idea that to be like men and to do the things that men do obligatorily  means achieving something automatically of value, good, and desirable, simply because men had possession of it traditionally. </p>
<p>This way of thinking neglects an examination of much more problematic core dynamics of a particular society, which are irrespective of gender. </p>
<p>Underlying problems with such core dynamics are often camouflaged under  gender discriminition. Many women think that behaving more and more like men means they &#8220;have made it.&#8221; Nothing could be more shortsighted.</p>
<p>Examples include, but are certainly not limited to, women becoming workaholics, women consuming large amounts of alcohol and binge drinking (behaving more and more *like men*), swearing (talking more and more *like men*), consuming pornography (and thinking about sexuality more and more *like men*), having a perverse and perverted sexuality, taking testosterone to cheat at sports, being highly promiscuous because of an inability to form sustainable personal relationships, being white collar criminals, corrupt politicians, etc. </p>
<p>&#8220;Equality will set you free&#8221; is such a wonderful play on the original &#8220;Arbeit Mach Frei&#8221; in this context. Animal Farm comes to mind too.</p>
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		<title>By: Marketing for Women and Girls: Just make it pink! &#171; INFERNO OF COOL</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/20/oh-the-things-girls-can-be/comment-page-1/#comment-130455</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marketing for Women and Girls: Just make it pink! &#171; INFERNO OF COOL]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Babyz&#8221;?  You&#8217;ve gotta be kidding me, as if all women just want to play with babies all the time.  At least the DS commercials feature women of varying ages playing different kinds [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Babyz&#8221;?  You&#8217;ve gotta be kidding me, as if all women just want to play with babies all the time.  At least the DS commercials feature women of varying ages playing different kinds [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Mona</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/20/oh-the-things-girls-can-be/comment-page-1/#comment-130419</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mona]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;(I hope the German is OK).&lt;/i&gt;

No, it&#039;s not.

Although you are certainly not required to abide by my opinion, I find comparisons to national socialism tasteless and disturbing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>(I hope the German is OK).</i></p>
<p>No, it&#8217;s not.</p>
<p>Although you are certainly not required to abide by my opinion, I find comparisons to national socialism tasteless and disturbing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mina</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/20/oh-the-things-girls-can-be/comment-page-1/#comment-130327</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mina]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is also a &quot;Babysitting Mama&quot; in the works. 

I do have to say though, that the Cooking Mama games are REALLY fun, and I&#039;ve know more than one guy who plays them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is also a &#8220;Babysitting Mama&#8221; in the works. </p>
<p>I do have to say though, that the Cooking Mama games are REALLY fun, and I&#8217;ve know more than one guy who plays them.</p>
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		<title>By: maggielou42</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/20/oh-the-things-girls-can-be/comment-page-1/#comment-130325</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[maggielou42]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While this doesn&#039;t exactly relate to the &quot;Imagine&quot; series, this makes me really mad:

The people behind &quot;Cooking Mama&quot; and &quot;Gardening Mama&quot; have created a new game called &quot;Science Papa.&quot;  As a science-loving, Nintendo DS-playing woman, I might have been in the market for &quot;Science Mama,&quot; but there is no way I will buy a game that perpetuates these gender stereotypes.

As an aside, the description touts that you can sabotage your opponents experiments to &quot;win.&quot;  That doesn&#039;t sound like good science to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While this doesn&#8217;t exactly relate to the &#8220;Imagine&#8221; series, this makes me really mad:</p>
<p>The people behind &#8220;Cooking Mama&#8221; and &#8220;Gardening Mama&#8221; have created a new game called &#8220;Science Papa.&#8221;  As a science-loving, Nintendo DS-playing woman, I might have been in the market for &#8220;Science Mama,&#8221; but there is no way I will buy a game that perpetuates these gender stereotypes.</p>
<p>As an aside, the description touts that you can sabotage your opponents experiments to &#8220;win.&#8221;  That doesn&#8217;t sound like good science to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Bagelsan</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/20/oh-the-things-girls-can-be/comment-page-1/#comment-130187</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bagelsan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wanted to be a diplomat when I was a kid. But that&#039;s &#039;cause I thought they just ran around in foreign countries (like, in outer space and whatnot) and shot people and had sex with good looking secret agents and piloted space ships. ^^]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to be a diplomat when I was a kid. But that&#8217;s &#8217;cause I thought they just ran around in foreign countries (like, in outer space and whatnot) and shot people and had sex with good looking secret agents and piloted space ships. ^^</p>
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		<title>By: Alessandra</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/20/oh-the-things-girls-can-be/comment-page-1/#comment-130179</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alessandra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 05:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Mina: and besides, that’s not the damn point. 
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I guess I got a lot of other points, except the &quot;damn&quot; one. 

@Mina: Oh, and Jack Thompson is a nutcase. He’s on the losing side of these battles for a reason. The idea that gaming promotes violence is unproven, ridiculous, and outdated. Gaming is a form of entertainment, like reading, board games, television, and movies. Nothing more.
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I am glad that no cultural product promotes violence. This means that the  millions of messages spewed out every day  promoting violence   have no effect on anyone&#039;s mind or behavior. Relief. Just as when people see millions of sexist or racist  messages, it also never impacts  anyone&#039;s minds or behavior. Uh huh.

According to your view that gaming is just like television, why restrict violent games to adults only? If children watch a million violent scenes and actions on TV everyday as it is, why not let them enjoy imagining it all in games? Why the censorship? As you said, it&#039;s all just &quot;entertainment.&quot;

And, since there is a &quot;Cop Killer&quot; game,  if someone wanted to release a &quot;President Killer - Obama Special Edition&quot; game, would you be against it? Wouldn&#039;t this be great for adults and children? 

Besides, if messages don&#039;t impact human behavior, every human behavior must be the result of some inborn determination or gene, right?

Jack Thompson seems a lot saner to me than the industry which puts out a lot of these games. What a sad commentary for society that a man who tries to take action against socializing people to hate and kill is deemed to be a complete lunatic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mina: and besides, that’s not the damn point.<br />
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I guess I got a lot of other points, except the &#8220;damn&#8221; one. </p>
<p>@Mina: Oh, and Jack Thompson is a nutcase. He’s on the losing side of these battles for a reason. The idea that gaming promotes violence is unproven, ridiculous, and outdated. Gaming is a form of entertainment, like reading, board games, television, and movies. Nothing more.<br />
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I am glad that no cultural product promotes violence. This means that the  millions of messages spewed out every day  promoting violence   have no effect on anyone&#8217;s mind or behavior. Relief. Just as when people see millions of sexist or racist  messages, it also never impacts  anyone&#8217;s minds or behavior. Uh huh.</p>
<p>According to your view that gaming is just like television, why restrict violent games to adults only? If children watch a million violent scenes and actions on TV everyday as it is, why not let them enjoy imagining it all in games? Why the censorship? As you said, it&#8217;s all just &#8220;entertainment.&#8221;</p>
<p>And, since there is a &#8220;Cop Killer&#8221; game,  if someone wanted to release a &#8220;President Killer &#8211; Obama Special Edition&#8221; game, would you be against it? Wouldn&#8217;t this be great for adults and children? </p>
<p>Besides, if messages don&#8217;t impact human behavior, every human behavior must be the result of some inborn determination or gene, right?</p>
<p>Jack Thompson seems a lot saner to me than the industry which puts out a lot of these games. What a sad commentary for society that a man who tries to take action against socializing people to hate and kill is deemed to be a complete lunatic.</p>
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		<title>By: Jysella</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/20/oh-the-things-girls-can-be/comment-page-1/#comment-130165</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jysella]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 03:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...What the devil are you on about, woman?

*goes back to playing Henry Hatsworth*]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;What the devil are you on about, woman?</p>
<p>*goes back to playing Henry Hatsworth*</p>
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		<title>By: karinova</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/20/oh-the-things-girls-can-be/comment-page-1/#comment-130159</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[karinova]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 02:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ooooh.
What I would have done for &quot;Imagine: Architect&quot; or &quot;Imagine: Engineer&quot;!

I don&#039;t remember ever begging for a doll, but how I yearned for Legos. I could never have enough, because I wasn&#039;t into building little scenes or whatever. No, I tried to build actual functional objects, and they almost always involved trying to bridge a span or support weight. My greatest Lego triumph was a little chair I made that I could actually sit on!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooooh.<br />
What I would have done for &#8220;Imagine: Architect&#8221; or &#8220;Imagine: Engineer&#8221;!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t remember ever begging for a doll, but how I yearned for Legos. I could never have enough, because I wasn&#8217;t into building little scenes or whatever. No, I tried to build actual functional objects, and they almost always involved trying to bridge a span or support weight. My greatest Lego triumph was a little chair I made that I could actually sit on!</p>
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		<title>By: KD</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/20/oh-the-things-girls-can-be/comment-page-1/#comment-130129</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know. Male gamers are, on average, some of the most maliciously sexist people around, which isn&#039;t surprising, given how hardcoded sexism is into most video games. Video games are designed to be male fantasies, and that means viewing women as digital sex puppets or killing them. Or both, as in the case of Metal Gear Solid 4, where the camera sticks itself literally between your mother&#039;s breasts as she takes her last dying breath. Yes, you look at your mom&#039;s boobs as she dies. It&#039;s f&#039;ing sinister.

The people that make these games are about as willfully ignorant and hateful as it gets. They have made it clear that they don&#039;t want women playing games because they don&#039;t want to have to change the sexism. They see it as their territory. Imagine is probably just making a quick buck with these games, but they&#039;re making them because no one else in the video game industry will make games for girls where they aren&#039;t excluded or degraded.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know. Male gamers are, on average, some of the most maliciously sexist people around, which isn&#8217;t surprising, given how hardcoded sexism is into most video games. Video games are designed to be male fantasies, and that means viewing women as digital sex puppets or killing them. Or both, as in the case of Metal Gear Solid 4, where the camera sticks itself literally between your mother&#8217;s breasts as she takes her last dying breath. Yes, you look at your mom&#8217;s boobs as she dies. It&#8217;s f&#8217;ing sinister.</p>
<p>The people that make these games are about as willfully ignorant and hateful as it gets. They have made it clear that they don&#8217;t want women playing games because they don&#8217;t want to have to change the sexism. They see it as their territory. Imagine is probably just making a quick buck with these games, but they&#8217;re making them because no one else in the video game industry will make games for girls where they aren&#8217;t excluded or degraded.</p>
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