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	<title>Comments on: The Cost of In-Vitro Fertilization</title>
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		<title>By: Lynne</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/19/the-cost-of-in-vitro-fertilization/comment-page-1/#comment-137486</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your comment outrages me! You are very heartless with that comment and you have touched a very sensitive nerve with me! I understand your point about adoption and fyi we have considered adoption. But for the past 8 years we have been trying to concieve without any help except clomid. We would love the opportunity to have a child with my eyes and my husbands nose. My story is I have a 50% shot of ovulating with only one side that &quot;works&quot; due to a horrific car accident 17 years ago. And trying to pinpoint it every month and then not even ovulate on my good side for months is very heartbreaking. So my point is just because someone has fertility issues does not mean they can not support a healthy baby. I know beacuse I can!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your comment outrages me! You are very heartless with that comment and you have touched a very sensitive nerve with me! I understand your point about adoption and fyi we have considered adoption. But for the past 8 years we have been trying to concieve without any help except clomid. We would love the opportunity to have a child with my eyes and my husbands nose. My story is I have a 50% shot of ovulating with only one side that &#8220;works&#8221; due to a horrific car accident 17 years ago. And trying to pinpoint it every month and then not even ovulate on my good side for months is very heartbreaking. So my point is just because someone has fertility issues does not mean they can not support a healthy baby. I know beacuse I can!</p>
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		<title>By: urbanartiste</title>
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		<dc:creator>urbanartiste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 01:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing to mention is women are given the option of abortion if blood work and amniocentisis shows results that the child will be disabled.  The testing is not 100% accurate or can not tell the level of some disabilities.  I think people are searching for certainty particularly due to the high rate of lawsuits in the U.S.  OBGYNs carry one of the highest malpractice insurance rates.

Recently I looked into adoption in my state and it is sad to see how many disabled kids are listed.  If anyone can offer explanation I would be interested to read it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing to mention is women are given the option of abortion if blood work and amniocentisis shows results that the child will be disabled.  The testing is not 100% accurate or can not tell the level of some disabilities.  I think people are searching for certainty particularly due to the high rate of lawsuits in the U.S.  OBGYNs carry one of the highest malpractice insurance rates.</p>
<p>Recently I looked into adoption in my state and it is sad to see how many disabled kids are listed.  If anyone can offer explanation I would be interested to read it.</p>
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		<title>By: styleygeek</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/19/the-cost-of-in-vitro-fertilization/comment-page-1/#comment-130877</link>
		<dc:creator>styleygeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 00:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a difference between being willing to take a (low) risk, and choosing a certainty.  

But I have always found that a difficult problem: it actually features quite heavily among the reasons I have chosen not to have children.  I might be prepared to give 18 years of my life to caring intensively for a child, but I am not prepared to spend the whole rest of my life doing so, and you can&#039;t guarantee that you won&#039;t have a child that for whatever reason is dependent on you for its daily care forever (e.g. due to disability).  For me, the fact that I can&#039;t imagine accepting that responsibility means that I am not ready to have children at all.  But I am sure there are other people out there who would be equally unwilling to take on life-long care of a dependent person, yet close their eyes, hope for the best and have children anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a difference between being willing to take a (low) risk, and choosing a certainty.  </p>
<p>But I have always found that a difficult problem: it actually features quite heavily among the reasons I have chosen not to have children.  I might be prepared to give 18 years of my life to caring intensively for a child, but I am not prepared to spend the whole rest of my life doing so, and you can&#8217;t guarantee that you won&#8217;t have a child that for whatever reason is dependent on you for its daily care forever (e.g. due to disability).  For me, the fact that I can&#8217;t imagine accepting that responsibility means that I am not ready to have children at all.  But I am sure there are other people out there who would be equally unwilling to take on life-long care of a dependent person, yet close their eyes, hope for the best and have children anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/19/the-cost-of-in-vitro-fertilization/comment-page-1/#comment-130689</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure how much I buy the &quot;biological urges&quot; line. We do an awful lot of things that defy &quot;biology&quot;. 

As for not being able to cope with a disabled child being a reason pursue IVF - since when does having a biological child (via any means) guarantee a healthy child?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure how much I buy the &#8220;biological urges&#8221; line. We do an awful lot of things that defy &#8220;biology&#8221;. </p>
<p>As for not being able to cope with a disabled child being a reason pursue IVF &#8211; since when does having a biological child (via any means) guarantee a healthy child?</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/19/the-cost-of-in-vitro-fertilization/comment-page-1/#comment-130513</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 04:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a response somewhat different from whether or not IVF is &#039;worth it&#039;- but what always comes to mind for me regarding this issues is why so many couples face fertility issues, and it is relevant when considering the &#039;cost&#039; of infertility.  

True, many couples wait until they are older to start their families, and then due to age related issues have trouble.  However, sperm counts for men are half what they were 50 years ago.  Many women face issues with PCOS, and irregular periods (therefore fewer cycles of ovulation).   

Why is infertility so common?  Our environment is polluted with many chemicals that mimick human sex hormones and disrupt them -phalates, parbens, flame retardants, plastic compounds, and pharmaceutical hormones in our water and food.  This is impacting our fertility!   In Canada (where I live, and I imagine the US is similar) chemical compounds are innocent until proven guilty, meaning they can be used with few restrictions until they are proven many times over to cause harm.  There is an Aboriginal community in Sarnia, Ontario where the ratio of girls to boys is highly skewed, and it&#039;s thought the numerous plastic and chemical companies nearby are to blame, yet the government has done nothing.  Governments must regulate chemicals in use and consider the damaging health effects they have, and we must pressure them to do so.  

Fertility issues are expensive, but without addressing the cause, the costs are only going to go up. 

To read about the Sarnia community, check out http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/pollution-where-have-all-the-baby-boys-gone-472477.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a response somewhat different from whether or not IVF is &#8216;worth it&#8217;- but what always comes to mind for me regarding this issues is why so many couples face fertility issues, and it is relevant when considering the &#8216;cost&#8217; of infertility.  </p>
<p>True, many couples wait until they are older to start their families, and then due to age related issues have trouble.  However, sperm counts for men are half what they were 50 years ago.  Many women face issues with PCOS, and irregular periods (therefore fewer cycles of ovulation).   </p>
<p>Why is infertility so common?  Our environment is polluted with many chemicals that mimick human sex hormones and disrupt them -phalates, parbens, flame retardants, plastic compounds, and pharmaceutical hormones in our water and food.  This is impacting our fertility!   In Canada (where I live, and I imagine the US is similar) chemical compounds are innocent until proven guilty, meaning they can be used with few restrictions until they are proven many times over to cause harm.  There is an Aboriginal community in Sarnia, Ontario where the ratio of girls to boys is highly skewed, and it&#8217;s thought the numerous plastic and chemical companies nearby are to blame, yet the government has done nothing.  Governments must regulate chemicals in use and consider the damaging health effects they have, and we must pressure them to do so.  </p>
<p>Fertility issues are expensive, but without addressing the cause, the costs are only going to go up. </p>
<p>To read about the Sarnia community, check out <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/pollution-where-have-all-the-baby-boys-gone-472477.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/pollution-where-have-all-the-baby-boys-gone-472477.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/19/the-cost-of-in-vitro-fertilization/comment-page-1/#comment-130466</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you adopted such a child? Are you facing fertility troubles? If not, you have no idea what you are talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you adopted such a child? Are you facing fertility troubles? If not, you have no idea what you are talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/19/the-cost-of-in-vitro-fertilization/comment-page-1/#comment-130465</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record, here in Chicago, the vast, VAST majority of children available - whether to adopt or foster - are pregnant teenage girls. Unless you are willing to take one into your home yourself, I don&#039;t care to be lectured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, here in Chicago, the vast, VAST majority of children available &#8211; whether to adopt or foster &#8211; are pregnant teenage girls. Unless you are willing to take one into your home yourself, I don&#8217;t care to be lectured.</p>
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		<title>By: urbanartiste</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/19/the-cost-of-in-vitro-fertilization/comment-page-1/#comment-130161</link>
		<dc:creator>urbanartiste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 03:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a woman waits until she is over 35/40 to have children she runs a high risk of having a down-syndrome (I am well aware of the variations on disabilities) child.  So is it okay to take care of a biological disabled child and not someone else&#039;s?

This is not about genetic disorders that people are unaware that they carry or chance.  If the data states that many women are having to use these treatments because they put off having kids until nature says it is too late, then it can possibly be seen as selfish (if one is aware of the risks).  Nature is nature and just because we can do it scientifically we need to be concience of the risks.  And I am for disability rights and a big fan of the late Harriet McBryde Johnson. I also understand the issues of women and the workforce, but maybe someone should come up with a way for women to move the onset of their period to the age of 20 instead of 13 and menopause to age 70.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a woman waits until she is over 35/40 to have children she runs a high risk of having a down-syndrome (I am well aware of the variations on disabilities) child.  So is it okay to take care of a biological disabled child and not someone else&#8217;s?</p>
<p>This is not about genetic disorders that people are unaware that they carry or chance.  If the data states that many women are having to use these treatments because they put off having kids until nature says it is too late, then it can possibly be seen as selfish (if one is aware of the risks).  Nature is nature and just because we can do it scientifically we need to be concience of the risks.  And I am for disability rights and a big fan of the late Harriet McBryde Johnson. I also understand the issues of women and the workforce, but maybe someone should come up with a way for women to move the onset of their period to the age of 20 instead of 13 and menopause to age 70.</p>
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		<title>By: antigone</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/19/the-cost-of-in-vitro-fertilization/comment-page-1/#comment-130149</link>
		<dc:creator>antigone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 02:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What makes me so angry about this is the holier-than-thou idiots who think you are just to &quot;vain&quot; to consider adoption.  Seriously?  If I could adopt a healthy baby for a low cost I would do it.  But I can&#039;t handle kids who&#039;ve been abused, who may be taken away and returned to their biological families, or who have severe medical issues, which pretty much sums up most of the &quot;orphans&quot; available for adoption.  ALSO FOSTERING IS NOT ADOPTION.  Of note, there are very few actual orphans in the system at all, perhaps in other countries there are, but international adoption is very expensive and there&#039;s lots of corruption.  Adoption of a healthy child is MUCH more expensive than fertility treatment.  MUCH MUCH MORE. We have looked into adoption.  We are talking $20-30k plus and several years of waiting.  Basic fertility treatment starts at $500 a month.  IVF at my dr is about $8k for the first round, less if using frozen embryos.  And we are 100% self pay.  I hope we never have to go there and I don&#039;t know if I will take the risk of implanting two embryos.  But I guess I&#039;m a selfish bitch because I have PCOS but am not automatically willing to take on the rigors of special needs kids.   

If we want less multiples being born due to fertility treatments, than insurance covering single embryo transfer IVF is the way to go.  Considering just one set of preemie multiples can generate millions in medical bills, covering 8k for an IVF doesn&#039;t seem so bad.  Unfortunately, my $700 a month insurance plan doesn&#039;t cover jack shit related to infertility.

But maybe we should only let people with perfect genes reproduce, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What makes me so angry about this is the holier-than-thou idiots who think you are just to &#8220;vain&#8221; to consider adoption.  Seriously?  If I could adopt a healthy baby for a low cost I would do it.  But I can&#8217;t handle kids who&#8217;ve been abused, who may be taken away and returned to their biological families, or who have severe medical issues, which pretty much sums up most of the &#8220;orphans&#8221; available for adoption.  ALSO FOSTERING IS NOT ADOPTION.  Of note, there are very few actual orphans in the system at all, perhaps in other countries there are, but international adoption is very expensive and there&#8217;s lots of corruption.  Adoption of a healthy child is MUCH more expensive than fertility treatment.  MUCH MUCH MORE. We have looked into adoption.  We are talking $20-30k plus and several years of waiting.  Basic fertility treatment starts at $500 a month.  IVF at my dr is about $8k for the first round, less if using frozen embryos.  And we are 100% self pay.  I hope we never have to go there and I don&#8217;t know if I will take the risk of implanting two embryos.  But I guess I&#8217;m a selfish bitch because I have PCOS but am not automatically willing to take on the rigors of special needs kids.   </p>
<p>If we want less multiples being born due to fertility treatments, than insurance covering single embryo transfer IVF is the way to go.  Considering just one set of preemie multiples can generate millions in medical bills, covering 8k for an IVF doesn&#8217;t seem so bad.  Unfortunately, my $700 a month insurance plan doesn&#8217;t cover jack shit related to infertility.</p>
<p>But maybe we should only let people with perfect genes reproduce, right?</p>
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		<title>By: urbanartiste</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/19/the-cost-of-in-vitro-fertilization/comment-page-1/#comment-130119</link>
		<dc:creator>urbanartiste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of the women I know that can afford to do fertility treatments or IVF are white and middle-upper class.  This issue screams white privilege.

Part of the reality is women are waiting later to get pregnant and science has made it possible to get pregnant.  Science may be redefining biology, but this is going to be an ongoing issue until women start having kids younger.  I know many women who had their 3 or 5th kid their late forties, but the fact is many women are starting to try for their first after age 35.

As or eugenics, I don&#039;t support it, but what bothers me is the lack of explanation for what seems like a dominance of certain childhood diseases and disabilities.  Can some be related to both men and women waiting until much later in life to reproduce or are they a result of scientific intervention.  There are many other possibilities such as environment, chemicals, etc., but it seems everyone is marveling at medical/scientific advancement, but is anyone besides religious leaders questioning possible negative outcomes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the women I know that can afford to do fertility treatments or IVF are white and middle-upper class.  This issue screams white privilege.</p>
<p>Part of the reality is women are waiting later to get pregnant and science has made it possible to get pregnant.  Science may be redefining biology, but this is going to be an ongoing issue until women start having kids younger.  I know many women who had their 3 or 5th kid their late forties, but the fact is many women are starting to try for their first after age 35.</p>
<p>As or eugenics, I don&#8217;t support it, but what bothers me is the lack of explanation for what seems like a dominance of certain childhood diseases and disabilities.  Can some be related to both men and women waiting until much later in life to reproduce or are they a result of scientific intervention.  There are many other possibilities such as environment, chemicals, etc., but it seems everyone is marveling at medical/scientific advancement, but is anyone besides religious leaders questioning possible negative outcomes?</p>
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		<title>By: Alyssa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alyssa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s not confuse foster children with adopted children.  If you are getting paid for a child in California, that is foster care, not adoption. I&#039;m not sure of the rules for adoption through the state, but I think you are right that it is free. Free college tuition only applies to &quot;wards of the state&quot; which I think adopted children don&#039;t count as a &quot;ward of the state.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s not confuse foster children with adopted children.  If you are getting paid for a child in California, that is foster care, not adoption. I&#8217;m not sure of the rules for adoption through the state, but I think you are right that it is free. Free college tuition only applies to &#8220;wards of the state&#8221; which I think adopted children don&#8217;t count as a &#8220;ward of the state.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regulating people&#039;s reproduction is a very slippery slope. Given the health disparities in the US, black women are much more likely to have low birthweight babies or a preterm birth.  Would you suggest that we consider whether it&#039;s &quot;worth it&quot; for a black woman to have a child?  I think we could do something about the incentives for fertility clinics to have a good &quot;success rate&quot;--maybe some other indicators, perhaps requiring that clinics allow a certain number of single embryo transfers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regulating people&#8217;s reproduction is a very slippery slope. Given the health disparities in the US, black women are much more likely to have low birthweight babies or a preterm birth.  Would you suggest that we consider whether it&#8217;s &#8220;worth it&#8221; for a black woman to have a child?  I think we could do something about the incentives for fertility clinics to have a good &#8220;success rate&#8221;&#8211;maybe some other indicators, perhaps requiring that clinics allow a certain number of single embryo transfers.</p>
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		<title>By: The Gift of Life, and Its Price on Healthcare and future generations &#171; Christopher A. Haase</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Gift of Life, and Its Price on Healthcare and future generations &#171; Christopher A. Haase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is not the price we pay, it is the price we make them pay that I question&#8230; The Fertilization bomb on our healthcare system  &#8230;the dramatic rise in the birth of twins among women 45-49 shows the increased risk of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: styleygeek</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/19/the-cost-of-in-vitro-fertilization/comment-page-1/#comment-129756</link>
		<dc:creator>styleygeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And where I live (not the USA), if you want to adopt domestically in my state, approximately one baby PER YEAR is available.  This with a waiting list of several hundred families. 

Sure, there are older, disabled or abused children available under a foster-to-adopt scheme, but first of all you have to have the resources and skills to parent children with these special needs, and secondly, you have to be prepared that, since they start off as only foster children, you might have to give them back to a relative if their circumstances change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And where I live (not the USA), if you want to adopt domestically in my state, approximately one baby PER YEAR is available.  This with a waiting list of several hundred families. </p>
<p>Sure, there are older, disabled or abused children available under a foster-to-adopt scheme, but first of all you have to have the resources and skills to parent children with these special needs, and secondly, you have to be prepared that, since they start off as only foster children, you might have to give them back to a relative if their circumstances change.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 09:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adoption is only expensive if you adopt overseas or have a private adoption. At least in California, adoption through the state is not only free, they pay &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; until the child is 18, plus have incentives such as free tuition for your child at any state college.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adoption is only expensive if you adopt overseas or have a private adoption. At least in California, adoption through the state is not only free, they pay <i>you</i> until the child is 18, plus have incentives such as free tuition for your child at any state college.</p>
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