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	<title>Comments on: American Eugenics Images</title>
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		<title>By: Jeff Kaufman</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/15/american-eugenics-images/comment-page-1/#comment-133618</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Kaufman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I think you&#039;re the one misreading the image.  There&#039;s no one in the picture labeled &quot;woman black&quot;.  The one drawn in an extremely unattractive manner is the one labeled &quot;woman mulatto&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I think you&#8217;re the one misreading the image.  There&#8217;s no one in the picture labeled &#8220;woman black&#8221;.  The one drawn in an extremely unattractive manner is the one labeled &#8220;woman mulatto&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Joka</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/15/american-eugenics-images/comment-page-1/#comment-133588</link>
		<dc:creator>Joka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you&#039;ve made a mistake: &quot;Notice that the “woman mulatto” is draw to appear extremely unattractive&quot; she&#039;s actually &#039;woman black&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you&#8217;ve made a mistake: &#8220;Notice that the “woman mulatto” is draw to appear extremely unattractive&#8221; she&#8217;s actually &#8216;woman black&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/15/american-eugenics-images/comment-page-1/#comment-130847</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought of this movie as soon as I read about the &quot;pass for white&quot; issue, too. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought of this movie as soon as I read about the &#8220;pass for white&#8221; issue, too. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/15/american-eugenics-images/comment-page-1/#comment-130846</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Categorising people based on the colour of the skin is a racist thing to do and a point of view that roots itself from the social situation where this type of discrimination is an every day thing.&quot;

If we are discussing race, as it is recognized widely by society and as it is accompanied by unequal power relationships that adversely affect our society, then it isn&#039;t racism. It&#039;s dealing with a real and concrete problem. While I would love to get to the point where we don&#039;t have race or racism in our society, and where we don&#039;t have to talk about the fact that when people in our society see a face that is a shade or two darker than peachy-pink, they start thinking negative thoughts...we&#039;re not there yet. And if we&#039;re not able to talk about race, as it exists as a problem within our society, then I don&#039;t know how we&#039;re supposed to address the accompanying issues or correct them.

How do you propose we talk about this issue, Angie? Or do you just propose we not talk about it at all? Because I hate to tell you this, but no problem ever got solved by pretending like it wasn&#039;t there. 

Race is the elephant in the room, and I am so beyond tired of people saying, &quot;Talking about race is racism!&quot; No, it&#039;s not. Failing to address the problems that accompany perceived race in America IS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Categorising people based on the colour of the skin is a racist thing to do and a point of view that roots itself from the social situation where this type of discrimination is an every day thing.&#8221;</p>
<p>If we are discussing race, as it is recognized widely by society and as it is accompanied by unequal power relationships that adversely affect our society, then it isn&#8217;t racism. It&#8217;s dealing with a real and concrete problem. While I would love to get to the point where we don&#8217;t have race or racism in our society, and where we don&#8217;t have to talk about the fact that when people in our society see a face that is a shade or two darker than peachy-pink, they start thinking negative thoughts&#8230;we&#8217;re not there yet. And if we&#8217;re not able to talk about race, as it exists as a problem within our society, then I don&#8217;t know how we&#8217;re supposed to address the accompanying issues or correct them.</p>
<p>How do you propose we talk about this issue, Angie? Or do you just propose we not talk about it at all? Because I hate to tell you this, but no problem ever got solved by pretending like it wasn&#8217;t there. </p>
<p>Race is the elephant in the room, and I am so beyond tired of people saying, &#8220;Talking about race is racism!&#8221; No, it&#8217;s not. Failing to address the problems that accompany perceived race in America IS.</p>
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		<title>By: Alessandra</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/15/american-eugenics-images/comment-page-1/#comment-129974</link>
		<dc:creator>Alessandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually a very serious degree in a not very serious &quot;science&quot; has quite more humor embedded in the idea.

Very nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually a very serious degree in a not very serious &#8220;science&#8221; has quite more humor embedded in the idea.</p>
<p>Very nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Kaufman</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/15/american-eugenics-images/comment-page-1/#comment-129960</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Kaufman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The headline is &quot;interesting researches by the carnegie institution disprove the popular notion that a &quot;pass-for-white&quot; person married to a pure white may have a negro child&quot;.  Using the terminology of the time, your link is about two &quot;negro&quot; people having one &quot;negro&quot; child and one &quot;pass-for-white&quot; child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The headline is &#8220;interesting researches by the carnegie institution disprove the popular notion that a &#8220;pass-for-white&#8221; person married to a pure white may have a negro child&#8221;.  Using the terminology of the time, your link is about two &#8220;negro&#8221; people having one &#8220;negro&#8221; child and one &#8220;pass-for-white&#8221; child.</p>
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		<title>By: Flamethorn</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/15/american-eugenics-images/comment-page-1/#comment-129954</link>
		<dc:creator>Flamethorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, as it happens...
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_black_and_white_twins.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as it happens&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_black_and_white_twins.htm" rel="nofollow">http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_black_and_white_twins.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Kaufman</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/15/american-eugenics-images/comment-page-1/#comment-129858</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Kaufman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A PhD certain implies research and science in any field that is deemed “scientific.” It doesn’t mean that it must always be so, but you just went off on a tangent to avoid the main point.&quot;

I agree that if a field is scientific, then a PhD in that field implies scientific research.  Similarly, if a field is non-scientific, a PhD in that field implies non-scientific research.  So if we were to consider sociology psuedoscientific, then we would take a PhD in sociology to imply psuedoscientific research.  So: it would still be &quot;Doctor Smith, who has a PhD in sociology&quot;, not &quot;Doctor Smith who has a psuedo-PhD in sociology&quot;.  If you wanted to stick a &#039;psuedo&#039; in there, you would need to say &quot;Doctor Smith who has a PhD in the psuedoscience sociology&quot;.

&quot;A PhD is also the highest degree, it confers authority, it is based standards, etc.&quot;

Agreed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A PhD certain implies research and science in any field that is deemed “scientific.” It doesn’t mean that it must always be so, but you just went off on a tangent to avoid the main point.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree that if a field is scientific, then a PhD in that field implies scientific research.  Similarly, if a field is non-scientific, a PhD in that field implies non-scientific research.  So if we were to consider sociology psuedoscientific, then we would take a PhD in sociology to imply psuedoscientific research.  So: it would still be &#8220;Doctor Smith, who has a PhD in sociology&#8221;, not &#8220;Doctor Smith who has a psuedo-PhD in sociology&#8221;.  If you wanted to stick a &#8216;psuedo&#8217; in there, you would need to say &#8220;Doctor Smith who has a PhD in the psuedoscience sociology&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;A PhD is also the highest degree, it confers authority, it is based standards, etc.&#8221;</p>
<p>Agreed.</p>
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		<title>By: Alessandra</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/15/american-eugenics-images/comment-page-1/#comment-129832</link>
		<dc:creator>Alessandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A PhD certainly implies...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A PhD certainly implies&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alessandra</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/15/american-eugenics-images/comment-page-1/#comment-129830</link>
		<dc:creator>Alessandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A PhD certain implies research and science in any field that is deemed &quot;scientific.&quot; It doesn&#039;t mean that it must always be so, but you just went off on a tangent to avoid the main point.

A PhD is also the highest degree, it confers authority, it is based  standards, etc. 

So we could certainly address someone as pseudo-Doctor Moron with a pseudo-PhD in a field of the social pseudo-sciences such as sociology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A PhD certain implies research and science in any field that is deemed &#8220;scientific.&#8221; It doesn&#8217;t mean that it must always be so, but you just went off on a tangent to avoid the main point.</p>
<p>A PhD is also the highest degree, it confers authority, it is based  standards, etc. </p>
<p>So we could certainly address someone as pseudo-Doctor Moron with a pseudo-PhD in a field of the social pseudo-sciences such as sociology.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Kaufman</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/15/american-eugenics-images/comment-page-1/#comment-129226</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Kaufman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if we started calling social sciences &quot;psuedosciences&quot;, we wouldn&#039;t say people with social science PhDs have &quot;psuedo-PhD&quot;s.  You can get a PhD in literature; PhD does not imply &#039;science&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if we started calling social sciences &#8220;psuedosciences&#8221;, we wouldn&#8217;t say people with social science PhDs have &#8220;psuedo-PhD&#8221;s.  You can get a PhD in literature; PhD does not imply &#8216;science&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Alessandra</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/15/american-eugenics-images/comment-page-1/#comment-128426</link>
		<dc:creator>Alessandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and I forgot. Social scientists are the people  who say they love to discuss theories, as long as they continuously censor viewpoints which prove their little theories wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and I forgot. Social scientists are the people  who say they love to discuss theories, as long as they continuously censor viewpoints which prove their little theories wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Alessandra</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/15/american-eugenics-images/comment-page-1/#comment-128046</link>
		<dc:creator>Alessandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 08:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like a lot of what Kuhn wrote. You can find a summary here:

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/thomas-kuhn/

Wikipedia also has a summary of many issues related to what is &quot;science&quot; and the &quot;scientific method&quot;:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theories_and_sociology_of_the_history_of_science

Why do you ask?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like a lot of what Kuhn wrote. You can find a summary here:</p>
<p><a href="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/thomas-kuhn/" rel="nofollow">http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/thomas-kuhn/</a></p>
<p>Wikipedia also has a summary of many issues related to what is &#8220;science&#8221; and the &#8220;scientific method&#8221;:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theories_and_sociology_of_the_history_of_science" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theories_and_sociology_of_the_history_of_science</a></p>
<p>Why do you ask?</p>
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		<title>By: b</title>
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		<dc:creator>b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is your definition of science?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is your definition of science?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Kaufman</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/10/15/american-eugenics-images/comment-page-1/#comment-127957</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Kaufman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s funny; in the US it&#039;s seen as racist that someone 1/8 black and 7/8 white was *not* classified as white.  See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule

Of course, what matters more than the classification is what the government does with it.  And separating part-white part-aboriginal children from their families to increase the fraction of the population classified as white is horrible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s funny; in the US it&#8217;s seen as racist that someone 1/8 black and 7/8 white was *not* classified as white.  See <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule</a></p>
<p>Of course, what matters more than the classification is what the government does with it.  And separating part-white part-aboriginal children from their families to increase the fraction of the population classified as white is horrible.</p>
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