Comments on: The Two Paths: Good Mothers and Outcast Sluts http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/09/30/the-two-paths-good-mothers-and-outcast-sluts/ Sociological Images encourages people to exercise and develop their sociological imaginations with discussions of compelling visuals that span the breadth of sociological inquiry. Fri, 25 May 2012 17:40:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: Bad Literature | Gender Studies: First Wave to Today http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/09/30/the-two-paths-good-mothers-and-outcast-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-524692 Bad Literature | Gender Studies: First Wave to Today Mon, 29 Aug 2011 20:13:05 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=13631#comment-524692 [...] more knowing but never a jot the wiser,” I thought this might be an appropriate time to share this image with you all. It’s from an early 1900s manual on social hygiene, a concept which [...] [...] more knowing but never a jot the wiser,” I thought this might be an appropriate time to share this image with you all. It’s from an early 1900s manual on social hygiene, a concept which [...]

]]> By: Blix http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/09/30/the-two-paths-good-mothers-and-outcast-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-532711 Blix Wed, 24 Aug 2011 03:26:00 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=13631#comment-532711 This is why I thank God for giving us a new chance each and every day. This type of scenario, however, seems to think that one choice determines the rest of life for you. This is why I thank God for giving us a new chance each and every day. This type of scenario, however, seems to think that one choice determines the rest of life for you.

]]> By: Dinner Parties | “The thing is...” http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/09/30/the-two-paths-good-mothers-and-outcast-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-465746 Dinner Parties | “The thing is...” Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:28:34 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=13631#comment-465746 [...] the two paths a girl’s life can take –either virtue or dissolution. Well, it turns out there’s a boy’s path too. And while I really didn’t expect either image to have a “clubbing, ketamine and [...] [...] the two paths a girl’s life can take –either virtue or dissolution. Well, it turns out there’s a boy’s path too. And while I really didn’t expect either image to have a “clubbing, ketamine and [...]

]]> By: SociologicalMe http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/09/30/the-two-paths-good-mothers-and-outcast-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-120336 SociologicalMe Fri, 02 Oct 2009 17:03:52 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=13631#comment-120336 OOOh... so that's where these came from! http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=30242803 They've been selling these pendants at local craft stores for a while now (they're just now going off shelves and I guess out of style). I picked up some to make thank-you presents for my committee members when I finish my dissertation (on sociology of gender, naturally). As awful as the originals are, I think it's kind of hilarious that they've been reclaimed as kitsch pendant fodder. OOOh… so that’s where these came from!

http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=30242803

They’ve been selling these pendants at local craft stores for a while now (they’re just now going off shelves and I guess out of style). I picked up some to make thank-you presents for my committee members when I finish my dissertation (on sociology of gender, naturally). As awful as the originals are, I think it’s kind of hilarious that they’ve been reclaimed as kitsch pendant fodder.

]]> By: Bagelsan http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/09/30/the-two-paths-good-mothers-and-outcast-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-120106 Bagelsan Fri, 02 Oct 2009 06:47:20 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=13631#comment-120106 I dunno... Self-abuse is a *lot* of fun but the poor girl has to make do with dirty stories instead. Unless there's something off-screen that I'm missing. :D I dunno… Self-abuse is a *lot* of fun but the poor girl has to make do with dirty stories instead. Unless there’s something off-screen that I’m missing. :D

]]> By: Nataly http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/09/30/the-two-paths-good-mothers-and-outcast-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-120070 Nataly Fri, 02 Oct 2009 04:41:52 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=13631#comment-120070 How does telling girls not to read novels fix crime or poverty? How does telling girls not to read novels fix crime or poverty?

]]> By: Maria http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/09/30/the-two-paths-good-mothers-and-outcast-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-119986 Maria Fri, 02 Oct 2009 00:29:52 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=13631#comment-119986 "awesome"? aw shucks *blush* thanks :) Saphos being the novel is curious- the story of a man who is seduced by a parisian liberal woman who has many lovers (not unlike the "vamp" of early silent films) and extremely racy for late 19th/early 20th century for that reason, but also because there were implications the main character was a lesbian (hence the "Saphos"). very sly, mr. illustrator, very sly... “awesome”? aw shucks *blush* thanks :)

Saphos being the novel is curious- the story of a man who is seduced by a parisian liberal woman who has many lovers (not unlike the “vamp” of early silent films) and extremely racy for late 19th/early 20th century for that reason, but also because there were implications the main character was a lesbian (hence the “Saphos”). very sly, mr. illustrator, very sly…

]]> By: K http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/09/30/the-two-paths-good-mothers-and-outcast-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-119931 K Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:31:24 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=13631#comment-119931 The text in the middle of the page mentions that she is reading the book Sapho. I think they must mean the novel by Alphonse Daudet. I couldn't find much info about the book itself, but it seems to center on a sexual affair between a woman and man who aren't married to each other. The text in the middle of the page mentions that she is reading the book Sapho. I think they must mean the novel by Alphonse Daudet. I couldn’t find much info about the book itself, but it seems to center on a sexual affair between a woman and man who aren’t married to each other.

]]> By: Butter http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/09/30/the-two-paths-good-mothers-and-outcast-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-119911 Butter Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:37:50 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=13631#comment-119911 ps. the bad girl looks like she is having the most fun - even compared to the boy pictures. ps. the bad girl looks like she is having the most fun – even compared to the boy pictures.

]]> By: Butter http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/09/30/the-two-paths-good-mothers-and-outcast-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-119910 Butter Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:36:24 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=13631#comment-119910 I think it is a great illustration of the virgin/whore dichotomy for the girl. The boy only has problems due to sex in terms of "self-abuse". hehe One thing that the girl version of the two paths has going for it is that it shows the girl studying. I think this demonstrates that, by then, people no longer feared that if women and girls learn something, they would ruin their reproductive capabilities and/or would be un-marriable (and should therefore stick to music and dancing, etc). Which was the case not just a few decades before this picture was made. In this case, studying actually is shown as leading good mothers. I think it is a great illustration of the virgin/whore dichotomy for the girl. The boy only has problems due to sex in terms of “self-abuse”. hehe

One thing that the girl version of the two paths has going for it is that it shows the girl studying. I think this demonstrates that, by then, people no longer feared that if women and girls learn something, they would ruin their reproductive capabilities and/or would be un-marriable (and should therefore stick to music and dancing, etc). Which was the case not just a few decades before this picture was made. In this case, studying actually is shown as leading good mothers.

]]> By: Kevin J Jones http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/09/30/the-two-paths-good-mothers-and-outcast-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-119903 Kevin J Jones Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:25:09 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=13631#comment-119903 What were the crime rates, illegitimacy rates, and poverty rates of this era? It's no good holding this "social hygiene" stuff up for ridicule if we don't consider whether or not it was part of a successful social regimen for containing self-destructive behavior. Most loving mothers & honorable fathers, after all, don't have the leisure for snarky comments on blogs. What were the crime rates, illegitimacy rates, and poverty rates of this era? It’s no good holding this “social hygiene” stuff up for ridicule if we don’t consider whether or not it was part of a successful social regimen for containing self-destructive behavior.

Most loving mothers & honorable fathers, after all, don’t have the leisure for snarky comments on blogs.

]]> By: The Two Paths » First Thoughts | A First Things Blog http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/09/30/the-two-paths-good-mothers-and-outcast-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-119894 The Two Paths » First Thoughts | A First Things Blog Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:05:37 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=13631#comment-119894 [...] Sociological Images) Comments [...] [...] Sociological Images) Comments [...]

]]> By: Village Idiot http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/09/30/the-two-paths-good-mothers-and-outcast-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-119883 Village Idiot Thu, 01 Oct 2009 20:34:39 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=13631#comment-119883 If you combined both paths for the boy into a single person, I think you'd have a formula for the typical successful politician (right up until the scandal breaks, anyway). It doesn't work for the girl's paths because for a woman to be a politician she has to absolutely stick to the 'good girl' side at all costs. Imagine the consequences if it had been Hillary who had enticed a young male intern into some shenanigans (at ANY point in her public career), then consider Chappaquiddick. The one for boys also makes it sort of appear that men don't become loving fathers until they're 60 (no mention of Grandfather status). Men are too busy amassing all that venerable success until then, I suppose... If you combined both paths for the boy into a single person, I think you’d have a formula for the typical successful politician (right up until the scandal breaks, anyway). It doesn’t work for the girl’s paths because for a woman to be a politician she has to absolutely stick to the ‘good girl’ side at all costs. Imagine the consequences if it had been Hillary who had enticed a young male intern into some shenanigans (at ANY point in her public career), then consider Chappaquiddick.

The one for boys also makes it sort of appear that men don’t become loving fathers until they’re 60 (no mention of Grandfather status). Men are too busy amassing all that venerable success until then, I suppose…

]]> By: Jane http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/09/30/the-two-paths-good-mothers-and-outcast-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-119843 Jane Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:03:46 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=13631#comment-119843 Al novels were considered "bad liturature" Al novels were considered “bad liturature”

]]> By: EKSwitaj http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/09/30/the-two-paths-good-mothers-and-outcast-sluts/comment-page-1/#comment-119834 EKSwitaj Thu, 01 Oct 2009 17:32:43 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=13631#comment-119834 Heh. I'm not quite thirty, and I'm already an outcast. Do I get a prize? :-) Heh. I’m not quite thirty, and I’m already an outcast. Do I get a prize? :-)

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