Comments on: Rising Costs of Health Care and No. of Uninsured by State http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/09/22/rising-costs-of-health-care-and-no-of-uninsured-by-state/ Sociological Images encourages people to exercise and develop their sociological imaginations with discussions of compelling visuals that span the breadth of sociological inquiry. Fri, 25 May 2012 17:40:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: The battle for “America’s soul” – healthcare reform | soulpundit.com http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/09/22/rising-costs-of-health-care-and-no-of-uninsured-by-state/comment-page-1/#comment-250601 The battle for “America’s soul” – healthcare reform | soulpundit.com Fri, 26 Mar 2010 04:12:53 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=13524#comment-250601 [...] Add to this the growing number of those who lose their job and can’t afford health insurance and the outlook on quality of life is bleaker for many Americans. Check out state by state unemployment statistics here. [...] [...] Add to this the growing number of those who lose their job and can’t afford health insurance and the outlook on quality of life is bleaker for many Americans. Check out state by state unemployment statistics here. [...]

]]> By: opminded http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/09/22/rising-costs-of-health-care-and-no-of-uninsured-by-state/comment-page-1/#comment-117641 opminded Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:18:52 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=13524#comment-117641 "the use of taxes to pay for government provided health care would not necessarily cost those who are already insured and may actually save them money." HA HA HA... LOL..... yeah, paying for 40 million uninsured won't cost us a thing!! “the use of taxes to pay for government provided health care would not necessarily cost those who are already insured and may actually save them money.”

HA HA HA… LOL….. yeah, paying for 40 million uninsured won’t cost us a thing!!

]]> By: Health Insurance, Unemployment and Bankruptcy « La Lubu http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/09/22/rising-costs-of-health-care-and-no-of-uninsured-by-state/comment-page-1/#comment-115557 Health Insurance, Unemployment and Bankruptcy « La Lubu Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:16:54 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=13524#comment-115557 [...] when the illustrious Lauren of Feministe sent me this link, I wasn’t surprised at the findings. As costs have gone up, the number of uninsured people [...] [...] when the illustrious Lauren of Feministe sent me this link, I wasn’t surprised at the findings. As costs have gone up, the number of uninsured people [...]

]]> By: Feministe » Health Insurance, Unemployment and Bankruptcy http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/09/22/rising-costs-of-health-care-and-no-of-uninsured-by-state/comment-page-1/#comment-115556 Feministe » Health Insurance, Unemployment and Bankruptcy Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:14:52 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=13524#comment-115556 [...] when the illustrious Lauren of Feministe sent me this link, I wasn’t surprised at the findings. As costs have gone up, the number of uninsured people [...] [...] when the illustrious Lauren of Feministe sent me this link, I wasn’t surprised at the findings. As costs have gone up, the number of uninsured people [...]

]]> By: Annoyed http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/09/22/rising-costs-of-health-care-and-no-of-uninsured-by-state/comment-page-1/#comment-115343 Annoyed Wed, 23 Sep 2009 04:40:50 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=13524#comment-115343 Here's a good example of what happens when health products are sold on the free market. More breast cancer, yay! http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/12/business/13wyeth.html?_r=1 Here’s a good example of what happens when health products are sold on the free market. More breast cancer, yay!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/12/business/13wyeth.html?_r=1

]]> By: Annoyed http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/09/22/rising-costs-of-health-care-and-no-of-uninsured-by-state/comment-page-1/#comment-115313 Annoyed Wed, 23 Sep 2009 04:02:42 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=13524#comment-115313 1) You don't think the state pays for bankruptcy or disability, research or your grandma for that matter? 2) Health care could not be a commodity in a single payer system. It isn't marketed and its use value is not inflated. And to be a commodity, its price has to be determined by the market. 3)Treatments have not been expanded at nearly the same rate that health care costs, the amount of uninsured, and the amount of bankruptcy due to health care have increased. If that were true, that would be really pathetic since health outcomes have only gotten worse. We have the same infant mortality rate as Brazil. 1) You don’t think the state pays for bankruptcy or disability, research or your grandma for that matter?

2) Health care could not be a commodity in a single payer system. It isn’t marketed and its use value is not inflated. And to be a commodity, its price has to be determined by the market.

3)Treatments have not been expanded at nearly the same rate that health care costs, the amount of uninsured, and the amount of bankruptcy due to health care have increased. If that were true, that would be really pathetic since health outcomes have only gotten worse. We have the same infant mortality rate as Brazil.

]]> By: AR http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/09/22/rising-costs-of-health-care-and-no-of-uninsured-by-state/comment-page-1/#comment-115239 AR Wed, 23 Sep 2009 02:13:35 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=13524#comment-115239 Regardless of whether you're healthy, the treatments being covered are constantly expanding as more are developed. Heath care is a commodity regardless of what anyone does about it. Having the state pay for it doesn't change the fact that, like all wealth, it still takes time, labor, and capital to deliver; it just makes it a commodity which the state pays for. Regardless of whether you’re healthy, the treatments being covered are constantly expanding as more are developed.

Heath care is a commodity regardless of what anyone does about it. Having the state pay for it doesn’t change the fact that, like all wealth, it still takes time, labor, and capital to deliver; it just makes it a commodity which the state pays for.

]]> By: Annoyed http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/09/22/rising-costs-of-health-care-and-no-of-uninsured-by-state/comment-page-1/#comment-115176 Annoyed Wed, 23 Sep 2009 00:46:47 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=13524#comment-115176 I have a feeling the map might be adjusted for population. On;y there is no way to find out because the link only goes to the map,not any site where it is talked about, and there is very little info on the map. Am I that naive to think they would be smarter than that? I have a feeling the map might be adjusted for population. On;y there is no way to find out because the link only goes to the map,not any site where it is talked about, and there is very little info on the map. Am I that naive to think they would be smarter than that?

]]> By: Annoyed http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/09/22/rising-costs-of-health-care-and-no-of-uninsured-by-state/comment-page-1/#comment-115169 Annoyed Wed, 23 Sep 2009 00:40:34 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=13524#comment-115169 I am also quite sure that less people were dying from lack of care ten years ago than they are today. I am also quite sure that less people were dying from lack of care ten years ago than they are today.

]]> By: Annoyed http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/09/22/rising-costs-of-health-care-and-no-of-uninsured-by-state/comment-page-1/#comment-115166 Annoyed Wed, 23 Sep 2009 00:30:23 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=13524#comment-115166 Actually that is not true. It would only be true if everyone that bought health insurance were sick, and that the amount of health insurance people buy is correlated with the amount of health care we use. If I spend 2000 per year on health insurance through my company (most companies also have an insurance mandate)and I don't get sick, why would I have been dead ten years ago? Health care and technology has also not changed that much in ten years. I can tell you, having had it happen at every job. My health care use has not changed, but every company is increasing the employee percentage every year. With raises, I usually broke even. And I am healthy. And as far as as using more as we get wealthier, that only happens when health is commodified. Actually that is not true. It would only be true if everyone that bought health insurance were sick, and that the amount of health insurance people buy is correlated with the amount of health care we use.

If I spend 2000 per year on health insurance through my company (most companies also have an insurance mandate)and I don’t get sick, why would I have been dead ten years ago?

Health care and technology has also not changed that much in ten years.

I can tell you, having had it happen at every job. My health care use has not changed, but every company is increasing the employee percentage every year. With raises, I usually broke even. And I am healthy.

And as far as as using more as we get wealthier, that only happens when health is commodified.

]]> By: AR http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/09/22/rising-costs-of-health-care-and-no-of-uninsured-by-state/comment-page-1/#comment-115011 AR Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:33:10 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=13524#comment-115011 It is not necessarily a problem that percentage spent on health care is increasing, because there is just so much more health care to buy. Many of the people being bankrupted by medical bills today would simply have died even a decade ago. That sort of thing happens all the time in history, as when the percentage of the economy consisting of manufacturing increased compared to agriculture even as agricultural output increased, or the percentage consisting of services increases even as industrial output continues to rise. As a civilization becomes wealthier, one would expect health care to occupy an increasingly large percentage of consumption, since there is no rational upper limit to the amount and quality that could be consumed until everyone is completely ageless, for which we have a ways to go. It is not necessarily a problem that percentage spent on health care is increasing, because there is just so much more health care to buy. Many of the people being bankrupted by medical bills today would simply have died even a decade ago.

That sort of thing happens all the time in history, as when the percentage of the economy consisting of manufacturing increased compared to agriculture even as agricultural output increased, or the percentage consisting of services increases even as industrial output continues to rise.

As a civilization becomes wealthier, one would expect health care to occupy an increasingly large percentage of consumption, since there is no rational upper limit to the amount and quality that could be consumed until everyone is completely ageless, for which we have a ways to go.

]]> By: jfruh http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/09/22/rising-costs-of-health-care-and-no-of-uninsured-by-state/comment-page-1/#comment-114899 jfruh Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:09:26 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=13524#comment-114899 Agreed -- this map is essentially useless, as the colors just mirror the total population of the various states. If there is interesting variations in the percentage of uninsured across the states, there needs to be a per capita map made. Agreed — this map is essentially useless, as the colors just mirror the total population of the various states. If there is interesting variations in the percentage of uninsured across the states, there needs to be a per capita map made.

]]> By: zippa http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/09/22/rising-costs-of-health-care-and-no-of-uninsured-by-state/comment-page-1/#comment-114864 zippa Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:15:24 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=13524#comment-114864 Though you mentioned that and I totally missed it. Though you mentioned that and I totally missed it.

]]> By: zippa http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/09/22/rising-costs-of-health-care-and-no-of-uninsured-by-state/comment-page-1/#comment-114863 zippa Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:14:30 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=13524#comment-114863 Gotta say I think the graph is a little bit mis-representative, because it doesn't adjust for population density. Of course California, Illinois, NY, and Florida have higher numbers of uninsured people than Montana, Wyoming, and the Dakotas--the population in those states is much, much higher. Percentages or ratios would have been much more telling here. In this form it reads, with a few exceptions, like a population chart. Gotta say I think the graph is a little bit mis-representative, because it doesn’t adjust for population density. Of course California, Illinois, NY, and Florida have higher numbers of uninsured people than Montana, Wyoming, and the Dakotas–the population in those states is much, much higher. Percentages or ratios would have been much more telling here. In this form it reads, with a few exceptions, like a population chart.

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