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	<title>Comments on: Sociological Images Update (August 2009)</title>
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	<description>Sociological Images encourages people to exercise and develop their sociological imaginations with discussions of compelling visuals that span the breadth of sociological inquiry.</description>
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		<title>By: M</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/09/01/what-we%e2%80%99ve-been-up-to-behind-your-back-august-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-108028</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You feature Caramba Tequila- but how could you miss this??

http://www.myeverydayshop.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/caramba-suck-ft.jpg

Yum.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You feature Caramba Tequila- but how could you miss this??</p>
<p><a href="http://www.myeverydayshop.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/caramba-suck-ft.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.myeverydayshop.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/caramba-suck-ft.jpg</a></p>
<p>Yum.</p>
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		<title>By: katie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[katie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Munich is fantastic!  I lived there for a couple of years.  Be sure to get out of the touristy heart of the city to see some of Schwabing -- an easy U-Bahn ride, or a leisurely walk.  Mama&#039;s Kebab Haus cures all that ails you. :)  If you need some English speaking help, look up Toy Town Munich, home to all the native speakers.  Have a great time!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Munich is fantastic!  I lived there for a couple of years.  Be sure to get out of the touristy heart of the city to see some of Schwabing &#8212; an easy U-Bahn ride, or a leisurely walk.  Mama&#8217;s Kebab Haus cures all that ails you. :)  If you need some English speaking help, look up Toy Town Munich, home to all the native speakers.  Have a great time!</p>
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		<title>By: lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lisa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 20:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Trix,

Thanks for letting us know!  We looked into it and it should be fixed soon. Please let us know if you&#039;re still having trouble over the weekend.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Trix,</p>
<p>Thanks for letting us know!  We looked into it and it should be fixed soon. Please let us know if you&#8217;re still having trouble over the weekend.</p>
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		<title>By: Trix</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Trix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 12:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Comment moderation is all good.

However, can you please do something about the template so it doesn&#039;t make the text default to size TINY. I have my browser set up with a suitable text size, and when someone sets a CSS font size of 10px or less, it makes it extremely difficult to read.

I personally feel setting a specific text size on a web page is quite poor practice.

At least perhaps provide one of those widgets so we can select larger text (or, to be more precise, non-tiny text).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment moderation is all good.</p>
<p>However, can you please do something about the template so it doesn&#8217;t make the text default to size TINY. I have my browser set up with a suitable text size, and when someone sets a CSS font size of 10px or less, it makes it extremely difficult to read.</p>
<p>I personally feel setting a specific text size on a web page is quite poor practice.</p>
<p>At least perhaps provide one of those widgets so we can select larger text (or, to be more precise, non-tiny text).</p>
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		<title>By: The History Enthusiast</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The History Enthusiast]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 01:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I support your new policy.  While a hands-off approach would be lovely in a world where everyone was polite, I understand that there are many rude and inconsiderate people in the world (trolls) who simply like to be obnoxious.  Honestly, I&#039;m surprised that you didn&#039;t make this change earlier.

P.S. I&#039;ve commented here before, but I absolutely love this site and look forward to reading it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I support your new policy.  While a hands-off approach would be lovely in a world where everyone was polite, I understand that there are many rude and inconsiderate people in the world (trolls) who simply like to be obnoxious.  Honestly, I&#8217;m surprised that you didn&#8217;t make this change earlier.</p>
<p>P.S. I&#8217;ve commented here before, but I absolutely love this site and look forward to reading it!</p>
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		<title>By: P</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 00:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The above post contains way too many negatives. I apologize to anyone offended by poor writing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The above post contains way too many negatives. I apologize to anyone offended by poor writing.</p>
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		<title>By: P</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 00:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It isn&#039;t about &quot;allowing all voices equal time.&quot; It&#039;s about subjecting all comments to the same standard, that both supporters and dissenters may feel that they are able to contribute to the conversation by whatever standard of discussion the moderators set.

Consider the Shakesville post you linked. The first five replies are &lt;i&gt;completely unproductive&lt;/i&gt; by any reasonable standard - they contribute nothing to the conversation, being simple variations on unconditional support for McEwan&#039;s post. In fact, that entire comment thread consists of:

1. Unbridled adoration, and
2. Quibbles or asides about minor details.

So is McEwan right or wrong? Obviously there is another side to the issues she discusses - McEwan is explicitly arguing &lt;i&gt;against&lt;/i&gt; some existing ideas. But we do not see it in the comment thread on her post. No fruitful debate had been sparked there.

That is the effect of systematically suppressing comments one disagrees with. Such a practice is unbecoming to any blog devoted to social science, or, indeed, discussion of any kind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It isn&#8217;t about &#8220;allowing all voices equal time.&#8221; It&#8217;s about subjecting all comments to the same standard, that both supporters and dissenters may feel that they are able to contribute to the conversation by whatever standard of discussion the moderators set.</p>
<p>Consider the Shakesville post you linked. The first five replies are <i>completely unproductive</i> by any reasonable standard &#8211; they contribute nothing to the conversation, being simple variations on unconditional support for McEwan&#8217;s post. In fact, that entire comment thread consists of:</p>
<p>1. Unbridled adoration, and<br />
2. Quibbles or asides about minor details.</p>
<p>So is McEwan right or wrong? Obviously there is another side to the issues she discusses &#8211; McEwan is explicitly arguing <i>against</i> some existing ideas. But we do not see it in the comment thread on her post. No fruitful debate had been sparked there.</p>
<p>That is the effect of systematically suppressing comments one disagrees with. Such a practice is unbecoming to any blog devoted to social science, or, indeed, discussion of any kind.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt K</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 23:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay, sure. That&#039;s one of my points -- not every space is meant for open and totally free discussion. I support the idea of free speech, but a website isn&#039;t public space and is under no obligation to allow all voices equal time. For example, this site is about sociological analysis. If you are unwilling to engage with any sociological principles, you aren&#039;t meeting the standards of discussion.

Same with feminist sites, or any similar group. It&#039;s funny, because not so long ago I shared your concern about objectivity and discussions on blogs, but then I realized that objectivity is a hard thing to come by, and a lot of the time those promoting it don&#039;t realize that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, sure. That&#8217;s one of my points &#8212; not every space is meant for open and totally free discussion. I support the idea of free speech, but a website isn&#8217;t public space and is under no obligation to allow all voices equal time. For example, this site is about sociological analysis. If you are unwilling to engage with any sociological principles, you aren&#8217;t meeting the standards of discussion.</p>
<p>Same with feminist sites, or any similar group. It&#8217;s funny, because not so long ago I shared your concern about objectivity and discussions on blogs, but then I realized that objectivity is a hard thing to come by, and a lot of the time those promoting it don&#8217;t realize that.</p>
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		<title>By: P</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/09/01/what-we%e2%80%99ve-been-up-to-behind-your-back-august-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-107408</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 23:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[See, as usual I am no longer sure who to argue with. You? McEwan? Anyone? Anyone..? Bueller?

I think that the &quot;entire rest of the world&quot; argument, to use McEwan&#039;s phrase, is a poor justification for deleting every &quot;unproductive&quot; comment. (I would love to hear your thoughts on what constitutes &quot;unproductive&quot; in this sense.) The world is not so easily reduced to this black-and-white picture of the brave blogger challenging social norms and the evil kyriarchy-loving trolls tearing him or her down. No one has the monopoly on being &quot;alternative,&quot; and being &quot;alternative&quot; in no way guarantees that one is right in the first place. Feminists, vegans, objectivists, otherkin, militia members, conspiracy theorists and countless others are all challenging social norms in some way. But even though their various ideas may challenge social norms, they do not automatically earn special immunity from criticism and dissent - just as the wide acceptance of an idea does not automatically make it valid and truthful.

Deleting abusive comments frees up comment threads from offensive clutter. Selectively deleting &quot;unproductive&quot; comments creates an &quot;us vs. them&quot; mentality, shuts out scrutiny of the author&#039;s premises, and presents the illusion that only the smallest details of the author&#039;s argument are negotiable, and the rest is solid truth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, as usual I am no longer sure who to argue with. You? McEwan? Anyone? Anyone..? Bueller?</p>
<p>I think that the &#8220;entire rest of the world&#8221; argument, to use McEwan&#8217;s phrase, is a poor justification for deleting every &#8220;unproductive&#8221; comment. (I would love to hear your thoughts on what constitutes &#8220;unproductive&#8221; in this sense.) The world is not so easily reduced to this black-and-white picture of the brave blogger challenging social norms and the evil kyriarchy-loving trolls tearing him or her down. No one has the monopoly on being &#8220;alternative,&#8221; and being &#8220;alternative&#8221; in no way guarantees that one is right in the first place. Feminists, vegans, objectivists, otherkin, militia members, conspiracy theorists and countless others are all challenging social norms in some way. But even though their various ideas may challenge social norms, they do not automatically earn special immunity from criticism and dissent &#8211; just as the wide acceptance of an idea does not automatically make it valid and truthful.</p>
<p>Deleting abusive comments frees up comment threads from offensive clutter. Selectively deleting &#8220;unproductive&#8221; comments creates an &#8220;us vs. them&#8221; mentality, shuts out scrutiny of the author&#8217;s premises, and presents the illusion that only the smallest details of the author&#8217;s argument are negotiable, and the rest is solid truth.</p>
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		<title>By: distance88</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[distance88]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 22:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think at least a little moderation is a necessary &#039;counter-balance&#039; to the anonymous aspects of the Internet.  People are constantly hiding behind this namelessness to spew all sorts of bile with impunity.  Moderation is good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think at least a little moderation is a necessary &#8216;counter-balance&#8217; to the anonymous aspects of the Internet.  People are constantly hiding behind this namelessness to spew all sorts of bile with impunity.  Moderation is good.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt K</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/09/01/what-we%e2%80%99ve-been-up-to-behind-your-back-august-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-107390</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 22:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[P, on the issue of censorship, I would recommend this post: http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2009/08/teaspoons-101-i-am-not-thought-police.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P, on the issue of censorship, I would recommend this post: <a href="http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2009/08/teaspoons-101-i-am-not-thought-police.html" rel="nofollow">http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2009/08/teaspoons-101-i-am-not-thought-police.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: P</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 21:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I fear that the slide from moderating &lt;i&gt;abusive&lt;/i&gt; comments to moderating any comment that is &lt;i&gt;&quot;unproductive&quot;&lt;/i&gt; is treacherous. What does it mean for a comment to be unproductive? Does rehashing past arguments qualify? Expressing an &quot;obvious&quot; viewpoint that the blogger claims to have debunked? Quipping? Agreeing without reservation? Bringing up something tangentially related?

Scratch the surface of any comment policy prohibiting &quot;unproductive&quot; comments and you will find a tendency to moderate only those &quot;unproductive&quot; comments which disagree with the main thrust of the blog. I believe this is not conducive to fruitful discourse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fear that the slide from moderating <i>abusive</i> comments to moderating any comment that is <i>&#8220;unproductive&#8221;</i> is treacherous. What does it mean for a comment to be unproductive? Does rehashing past arguments qualify? Expressing an &#8220;obvious&#8221; viewpoint that the blogger claims to have debunked? Quipping? Agreeing without reservation? Bringing up something tangentially related?</p>
<p>Scratch the surface of any comment policy prohibiting &#8220;unproductive&#8221; comments and you will find a tendency to moderate only those &#8220;unproductive&#8221; comments which disagree with the main thrust of the blog. I believe this is not conducive to fruitful discourse.</p>
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		<title>By: P</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 21:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For what it&#039;s worth, I think this blog has been a paragon of editorial restraint in moderating comments. This, of course, means that some of the visitors will always clamor for you to crack down on comments that are merely unpopular or distasteful, not abusive. I hope their advice continues to go unheeded.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I think this blog has been a paragon of editorial restraint in moderating comments. This, of course, means that some of the visitors will always clamor for you to crack down on comments that are merely unpopular or distasteful, not abusive. I hope their advice continues to go unheeded.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt K</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 21:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would challenge the notion that a moderation policy which deletes unproductive posts leads to a &quot;feel-good echo chamber&quot;. As well, I know this isn&#039;t an explicitly feminist blog, or anything similar, but I don&#039;t think sites likes Shakesville can be characterizes as having a false consensus.

Anytime an alternative message is presented (as a lot of sociological analysis is -- not all, mind you) it&#039;s challenging social norms. If anything, most of society can be seen as the &quot;feel-good echo chamger&quot; or &quot;thought police&quot; (a favourite slur of those who dislike feminism), not those challenging people to see things in a different light.

That&#039;s why I&#039;m wary of totally open comments. They can be instructive sometimes, but we have the WHOLE REST OF SOCIETY to say the expected, accepted response. We already know what that is, a lot of the time. That&#039;s why we don&#039;t need to hear it here too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would challenge the notion that a moderation policy which deletes unproductive posts leads to a &#8220;feel-good echo chamber&#8221;. As well, I know this isn&#8217;t an explicitly feminist blog, or anything similar, but I don&#8217;t think sites likes Shakesville can be characterizes as having a false consensus.</p>
<p>Anytime an alternative message is presented (as a lot of sociological analysis is &#8212; not all, mind you) it&#8217;s challenging social norms. If anything, most of society can be seen as the &#8220;feel-good echo chamger&#8221; or &#8220;thought police&#8221; (a favourite slur of those who dislike feminism), not those challenging people to see things in a different light.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I&#8217;m wary of totally open comments. They can be instructive sometimes, but we have the WHOLE REST OF SOCIETY to say the expected, accepted response. We already know what that is, a lot of the time. That&#8217;s why we don&#8217;t need to hear it here too.</p>
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		<title>By: Elena</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elena]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 21:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;our names appeared in the right-hand column alongside neutral avatars which, as we’ve discussed many times, are actually male avatars (there is some delicious irony here).  It turns out that Wordpress not only has the male as default, but there is no female option at all.  You can, however, choose to be a monster.  We eventually went with no avatar at all.&lt;/i&gt;

If you  aren&#039;t blogging from the WordPress.com control panel (in which case you can edit your profile to choose a picture), and your WordPress install is local, you can go to &lt;a href=&quot;http://gravatar.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;gravatar.com&lt;/a&gt; and upload the profile picture that will go with your email address when you comment on weblogs that support Gravatar.

As for myself, my personal WordPress blog uses identicon to display something pretty for people without a  defined gravatar, even if it&#039;s only a randomly generated abstract drawing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>our names appeared in the right-hand column alongside neutral avatars which, as we’ve discussed many times, are actually male avatars (there is some delicious irony here).  It turns out that WordPress not only has the male as default, but there is no female option at all.  You can, however, choose to be a monster.  We eventually went with no avatar at all.</i></p>
<p>If you  aren&#8217;t blogging from the WordPress.com control panel (in which case you can edit your profile to choose a picture), and your WordPress install is local, you can go to <a href="http://gravatar.com" rel="nofollow">gravatar.com</a> and upload the profile picture that will go with your email address when you comment on weblogs that support Gravatar.</p>
<p>As for myself, my personal WordPress blog uses identicon to display something pretty for people without a  defined gravatar, even if it&#8217;s only a randomly generated abstract drawing.</p>
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