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	<title>Comments on: Saving The Women: War And Science Fiction</title>
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		<title>By: A.B.</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/08/07/saving-the-women-war-and-science-fiction/comment-page-1/#comment-270165</link>
		<dc:creator>A.B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 23:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as an aside -- i note that most of the women are passive (showing no ability to resist abduction or else appearing asleep/comatose), their clothes are dishevelled and scanty (like lingerie almost), and almost all red (why? to resemble blood?). these images seem designed to titillate the male viewer with their implication of being either pre- or post- rape (note also all the obvious phallic protrusions from the various robots/monsters).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as an aside &#8212; i note that most of the women are passive (showing no ability to resist abduction or else appearing asleep/comatose), their clothes are dishevelled and scanty (like lingerie almost), and almost all red (why? to resemble blood?). these images seem designed to titillate the male viewer with their implication of being either pre- or post- rape (note also all the obvious phallic protrusions from the various robots/monsters).</p>
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		<title>By: karinova</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/08/07/saving-the-women-war-and-science-fiction/comment-page-1/#comment-101823</link>
		<dc:creator>karinova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;“The Bodyguard” springs to mind.&lt;/i&gt;

...And because I am a child of the 80s (and also painfully lame), for me, &quot;Thundercats&quot; sprang to mind. For some reason, I very much associate this pose with that show (and a few others of the time). Seemed like every other episode featured a scene with Lion-O carrying an unconscious Cheetara in his arms, boobs up. Which bugged me even then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“The Bodyguard” springs to mind.</i></p>
<p>&#8230;And because I am a child of the 80s (and also painfully lame), for me, &#8220;Thundercats&#8221; sprang to mind. For some reason, I very much associate this pose with that show (and a few others of the time). Seemed like every other episode featured a scene with Lion-O carrying an unconscious Cheetara in his arms, boobs up. Which bugged me even then.</p>
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		<title>By: A Collection of Items on Gender and Science/Tech Topics &#187; Sociological Images</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/08/07/saving-the-women-war-and-science-fiction/comment-page-1/#comment-99283</link>
		<dc:creator>A Collection of Items on Gender and Science/Tech Topics &#187; Sociological Images</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] posts: science fiction, women, and war, Dell markets to women, info on percents of science/engineering Ph.D.s earned by women, PMS Tracker [...]</description>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/08/07/saving-the-women-war-and-science-fiction/comment-page-1/#comment-96777</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 10:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A little bit off-topic - but after seeing all of the &quot;women in the arms of beasts&quot; images this morning I happened to see a &quot;man in the arms of beast&quot; poster at my local museum this afternoon. Of course - the beast was a monstrous woman (see link). Women may need saving from &quot;others&quot;, but men need saving from women it seems...

http://www.impawards.com/1960/wasp_woman.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little bit off-topic &#8211; but after seeing all of the &#8220;women in the arms of beasts&#8221; images this morning I happened to see a &#8220;man in the arms of beast&#8221; poster at my local museum this afternoon. Of course &#8211; the beast was a monstrous woman (see link). Women may need saving from &#8220;others&#8221;, but men need saving from women it seems&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.impawards.com/1960/wasp_woman.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.impawards.com/1960/wasp_woman.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/08/07/saving-the-women-war-and-science-fiction/comment-page-1/#comment-96753</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 08:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The french one = &quot;A virgin among the living dead&quot;?  ROFL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The french one = &#8220;A virgin among the living dead&#8221;?  ROFL.</p>
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		<title>By: Mania</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/08/07/saving-the-women-war-and-science-fiction/comment-page-1/#comment-96726</link>
		<dc:creator>Mania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 06:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aww! What an adorable rock iguana!

(Sorry -- easily distracted.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aww! What an adorable rock iguana!</p>
<p>(Sorry &#8212; easily distracted.)</p>
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		<title>By: Titanis walleri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Titanis walleri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 23:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d suspect the trope is very, very old. Probably because the tactic of &quot;go after the other guys&#039; women and children&quot; is even older than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d suspect the trope is very, very old. Probably because the tactic of &#8220;go after the other guys&#8217; women and children&#8221; is even older than that.</p>
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		<title>By: Village Idiot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Village Idiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 22:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why on Earth would aliens want human women? Not that there&#039;s anything wrong with human women in general, but I don&#039;t recall ever having seen a reason why any aliens would come all the way here just to gather specimens of female &lt;i&gt;Homo sapiens&lt;/i&gt; or what unspeakable purposes they have in mind once they get them. Alien cosmetics testing, like our lab bunnies maybe? Then again, the overall masculine shape of the aliens/monsters/robots does imply sordid intentions. The green slime is an exception but makes up for it with the tentacles (long before Japanese porn made tentacles popular!).

Then again, seeing as how the imperiled women are so fair skinned, perhaps the monsters who are after them are supposed to symbolize an entirely terrestrial and non-robotic threat to &quot;our women&quot; that was becoming increasingly awkward to portray in a literal fashion.

And Tobor sure is a badass, and he has &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;EVERY&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; human emotion! (but a questionable anatomical ability to act on them, which means he&#039;ll probably get really frustrated and end up going Cuisinart on his captive, which is the robot equivalent of &quot;postal&quot;)

But beyond just portraying women in danger, lots of science fiction involves aliens abducting us from our natural habitat, doing invasive and sometimes hideous experiments on us, mutating us, breeding us, enslaving us, or simply slaughtering us all (though there is always a woman-in-danger subplot). To me, that looks like some weird human mental quirk where we feel compelled to imagine ourselves being subjected to all the things we humans subject other life forms to. I&#039;ve never seen the aliens do anything to us that we don&#039;t do to ourselves or other species, so maybe it&#039;s a kind of softcore S&amp;M thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why on Earth would aliens want human women? Not that there&#8217;s anything wrong with human women in general, but I don&#8217;t recall ever having seen a reason why any aliens would come all the way here just to gather specimens of female <i>Homo sapiens</i> or what unspeakable purposes they have in mind once they get them. Alien cosmetics testing, like our lab bunnies maybe? Then again, the overall masculine shape of the aliens/monsters/robots does imply sordid intentions. The green slime is an exception but makes up for it with the tentacles (long before Japanese porn made tentacles popular!).</p>
<p>Then again, seeing as how the imperiled women are so fair skinned, perhaps the monsters who are after them are supposed to symbolize an entirely terrestrial and non-robotic threat to &#8220;our women&#8221; that was becoming increasingly awkward to portray in a literal fashion.</p>
<p>And Tobor sure is a badass, and he has <i><b>EVERY</b></i> human emotion! (but a questionable anatomical ability to act on them, which means he&#8217;ll probably get really frustrated and end up going Cuisinart on his captive, which is the robot equivalent of &#8220;postal&#8221;)</p>
<p>But beyond just portraying women in danger, lots of science fiction involves aliens abducting us from our natural habitat, doing invasive and sometimes hideous experiments on us, mutating us, breeding us, enslaving us, or simply slaughtering us all (though there is always a woman-in-danger subplot). To me, that looks like some weird human mental quirk where we feel compelled to imagine ourselves being subjected to all the things we humans subject other life forms to. I&#8217;ve never seen the aliens do anything to us that we don&#8217;t do to ourselves or other species, so maybe it&#8217;s a kind of softcore S&amp;M thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelsey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 22:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems ethnocentric (or species-centric?) that although the aliens and robots are of another species entirely they are still sexually attracted to human females.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems ethnocentric (or species-centric?) that although the aliens and robots are of another species entirely they are still sexually attracted to human females.</p>
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		<title>By: kate s.</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/08/07/saving-the-women-war-and-science-fiction/comment-page-1/#comment-96542</link>
		<dc:creator>kate s.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 22:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SPACE ALIENS ARE TRYING TO STEAL OUR GOOD, WHITE WOMEN!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SPACE ALIENS ARE TRYING TO STEAL OUR GOOD, WHITE WOMEN!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Elena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is called &lt;a href=&quot;http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TouchOfTheMonster&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Touch of the Monster&lt;/a&gt; over at the TV Tropes wiki. The other very clichèd pose is the &lt;a href=&quot;http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LegCling&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Leg Cling&lt;/a&gt;. See also &lt;a&gt;Pietà Plagiarism&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is called <a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TouchOfTheMonster" rel="nofollow">Touch of the Monster</a> over at the TV Tropes wiki. The other very clichèd pose is the <a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LegCling" rel="nofollow">Leg Cling</a>. See also <a>Pietà Plagiarism</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Dwayne Rand</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/08/07/saving-the-women-war-and-science-fiction/comment-page-1/#comment-96447</link>
		<dc:creator>Dwayne Rand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just like the immigrants (or other &quot;others&quot;) - &quot;Coming here, taking our jobs and our women and acting like they own the feckin&#039; place.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just like the immigrants (or other &#8220;others&#8221;) &#8211; &#8220;Coming here, taking our jobs and our women and acting like they own the feckin&#8217; place.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Cycles</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/08/07/saving-the-women-war-and-science-fiction/comment-page-1/#comment-96435</link>
		<dc:creator>Cycles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry the second link of Popcatapetal and Iztaccihuatl didn&#039;t go through. Here&#039;s the pic:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/entertainment/street/Popocat%C3%A9petl%20and%20Iztacc%C3%ADhuatl.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry the second link of Popcatapetal and Iztaccihuatl didn&#8217;t go through. Here&#8217;s the pic:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.signonsandiego.com/entertainment/street/Popocat%C3%A9petl%20and%20Iztacc%C3%ADhuatl.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.signonsandiego.com/entertainment/street/Popocat%C3%A9petl%20and%20Iztacc%C3%ADhuatl.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cycles</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/08/07/saving-the-women-war-and-science-fiction/comment-page-1/#comment-96433</link>
		<dc:creator>Cycles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an irony: in &quot;Forbidden Planet&quot; (the first poster), Robby the Robot is the harmless butler who looks after the woman in the picture. Her father invented Robby to protect her, and the robot is never portrayed as a villain - he&#039;s comic relief. As far as I recall, she never actually faints or is knocked unconscious as depicted in the poster. The villain in the movie is a projection of her father&#039;s id, and I think it only went after the men from the space ship. She was always protected in the fortress-house.

Yet I definitely agree, the poster portrays the robot as the menace and the half-naked woman as the victim to be saved by a human. It seems the art director knew of and leveraged existing themes in sci-fi posters, despite the actual plot of the movie. I remember seeing the film as a child, and even though the robot is supposed to be funny and harmless, I was still a little scared of him.

It&#039;s really interesting, because many of these posters are so very similar to the posters where a big powerful protector is rescuing an imperiled woman. The body positions are basically the same - woman inert, warrior fetching her to safety in this case. 

&quot;The Bodyguard&quot; springs to mind. 

http://images21.fotosik.pl/247/d6c96c45012a7fe1.jpg

Or depictions of Popocatepetl and Iztaccihuatl, which you may not recognize by name but have probably seen (although in this case the inert woman is dead):

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an irony: in &#8220;Forbidden Planet&#8221; (the first poster), Robby the Robot is the harmless butler who looks after the woman in the picture. Her father invented Robby to protect her, and the robot is never portrayed as a villain &#8211; he&#8217;s comic relief. As far as I recall, she never actually faints or is knocked unconscious as depicted in the poster. The villain in the movie is a projection of her father&#8217;s id, and I think it only went after the men from the space ship. She was always protected in the fortress-house.</p>
<p>Yet I definitely agree, the poster portrays the robot as the menace and the half-naked woman as the victim to be saved by a human. It seems the art director knew of and leveraged existing themes in sci-fi posters, despite the actual plot of the movie. I remember seeing the film as a child, and even though the robot is supposed to be funny and harmless, I was still a little scared of him.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really interesting, because many of these posters are so very similar to the posters where a big powerful protector is rescuing an imperiled woman. The body positions are basically the same &#8211; woman inert, warrior fetching her to safety in this case. </p>
<p>&#8220;The Bodyguard&#8221; springs to mind. </p>
<p><a href="http://images21.fotosik.pl/247/d6c96c45012a7fe1.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://images21.fotosik.pl/247/d6c96c45012a7fe1.jpg</a></p>
<p>Or depictions of Popocatepetl and Iztaccihuatl, which you may not recognize by name but have probably seen (although in this case the inert woman is dead):</p>
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		<title>By: Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, white females need only apply for the &quot;Damsel in Distress&quot; position. Damn! Guess I&#039;m excluded from being saved by a hot, sexy Marine.

*rolls eyes*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, white females need only apply for the &#8220;Damsel in Distress&#8221; position. Damn! Guess I&#8217;m excluded from being saved by a hot, sexy Marine.</p>
<p>*rolls eyes*</p>
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