<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	xmlns:creativeCommons="http://backend.userland.com/creativeCommonsRssModule"
	>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: “Dumb” vs. “Smart” Books</title>
	<atom:link href="http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/07/06/dumb-vs-smart-books/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/07/06/dumb-vs-smart-books/</link>
	<description>Sociological Images encourages people to exercise and develop their sociological imaginations with discussions of compelling visuals that span the breadth of sociological inquiry.</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 10:55:10 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	
	<item>
		<title>By: zzz</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/07/06/dumb-vs-smart-books/comment-page-1/#comment-204366</link>
		<dc:creator>zzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=10585#comment-204366</guid>
		<description>hahaha! wait, you&#039;re not kidding?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hahaha! wait, you&#8217;re not kidding?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Laura Webb</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/07/06/dumb-vs-smart-books/comment-page-1/#comment-83499</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=10585#comment-83499</guid>
		<description>I’m very unfamiliar with sociological discussion and appropriate terms but I hope you’ll read what I’m trying to say and not the strained parts (we? who’s the “we” I keep talking about below? I’m not even sure) 

First, it would be interesting if there was a way to note what books were read in high school, what books were read in college classes, and what books were read outside of the classroom. Like Tomecat said in the comments above, a major part of this is exposure- which to a certain degree is not under our control.

Also, I’d just like to point out that the very question, “What is/are your favorite books” is unanimously hated by myself and everyone I know who likes to read. It’s an awful question. There are so many good books in all genres but trying to pick one (or a few) is like building a zoo and putting one animal in it. But… it’s asked. Inevitably in trying to respond there will be posturing, partly as an adaptation to the circumstances (cocktail party vs. little kid’s birthday party, for example), a tailoring of one’s response to the other person (intimidating and erudite new acquaintance or 7-year old girl, to continue the analogy), and yes, just plain trying to make yourself look good. So, a genuine answer is difficult for two reasons- first, the question is bad and second, we answer to tell the person something more than a title (“I read classics in their original language, so rewarding!” “When I was your age I loved to read stories about horses”)

In making a Facebook profile, you aren’t responding to a single person. So “Favorite Books” usually becomes a weird pastiche of what you’ve most recently read, what some teacher forced you to look at closely to the point where familiarity becomes favorite, and books you discovered and read for yourself at a key time, usually adolescence (for example, that last one for me would be Ender’s Game but for a lot of kids wouldn’t it be Harry Potter, Eragon, Twilight?)

And another thing- it seems like, as a culture (and I’m not familiar with sociological terms) we approach reading as a singular event, consuming one heavily hyped- either by prestige as in the classics or some new, topically relevant- book after another. 

Rereading doesn’t play a huge role generally and I include myself in this, even though the few times I’ve read a book more than once, my understanding of the author, the characters, and the story increased tenfold.

We don’t reach for books the way we reach for that CD or DVD.

Two questions I like better and find more revealing are to ask someone “What books have you read more than once?” and “What books have you given to people?” 

Ok, that’s my two cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m very unfamiliar with sociological discussion and appropriate terms but I hope you’ll read what I’m trying to say and not the strained parts (we? who’s the “we” I keep talking about below? I’m not even sure) </p>
<p>First, it would be interesting if there was a way to note what books were read in high school, what books were read in college classes, and what books were read outside of the classroom. Like Tomecat said in the comments above, a major part of this is exposure- which to a certain degree is not under our control.</p>
<p>Also, I’d just like to point out that the very question, “What is/are your favorite books” is unanimously hated by myself and everyone I know who likes to read. It’s an awful question. There are so many good books in all genres but trying to pick one (or a few) is like building a zoo and putting one animal in it. But… it’s asked. Inevitably in trying to respond there will be posturing, partly as an adaptation to the circumstances (cocktail party vs. little kid’s birthday party, for example), a tailoring of one’s response to the other person (intimidating and erudite new acquaintance or 7-year old girl, to continue the analogy), and yes, just plain trying to make yourself look good. So, a genuine answer is difficult for two reasons- first, the question is bad and second, we answer to tell the person something more than a title (“I read classics in their original language, so rewarding!” “When I was your age I loved to read stories about horses”)</p>
<p>In making a Facebook profile, you aren’t responding to a single person. So “Favorite Books” usually becomes a weird pastiche of what you’ve most recently read, what some teacher forced you to look at closely to the point where familiarity becomes favorite, and books you discovered and read for yourself at a key time, usually adolescence (for example, that last one for me would be Ender’s Game but for a lot of kids wouldn’t it be Harry Potter, Eragon, Twilight?)</p>
<p>And another thing- it seems like, as a culture (and I’m not familiar with sociological terms) we approach reading as a singular event, consuming one heavily hyped- either by prestige as in the classics or some new, topically relevant- book after another. </p>
<p>Rereading doesn’t play a huge role generally and I include myself in this, even though the few times I’ve read a book more than once, my understanding of the author, the characters, and the story increased tenfold.</p>
<p>We don’t reach for books the way we reach for that CD or DVD.</p>
<p>Two questions I like better and find more revealing are to ask someone “What books have you read more than once?” and “What books have you given to people?” </p>
<p>Ok, that’s my two cents.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Guest</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/07/06/dumb-vs-smart-books/comment-page-1/#comment-80709</link>
		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=10585#comment-80709</guid>
		<description>Where is Twilight on this list? It should be dominating the chart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where is Twilight on this list? It should be dominating the chart.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Spencer</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/07/06/dumb-vs-smart-books/comment-page-1/#comment-80688</link>
		<dc:creator>Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=10585#comment-80688</guid>
		<description>I&#039;d just like to point out that Lolita is my favorite novel, and (on a totally unrelated, unbiased note) I find this list fairly convincing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d just like to point out that Lolita is my favorite novel, and (on a totally unrelated, unbiased note) I find this list fairly convincing.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/07/06/dumb-vs-smart-books/comment-page-1/#comment-77737</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=10585#comment-77737</guid>
		<description>Gwen - I agree that the methodology of this &quot;study&quot; would be extremely poor for proving...well, really anything at all. To begin with, I&#039;d dispose immediately of the idea that there SAT score measures intelligence.

But it would be absurd to suggest that the books a young person reads most intently - the &#039;favorites&#039; rather than the half-digested classroom assignments - don&#039;t have a direct impact on scores in a test that is 50% verbal skills. 

Coincidentally, Marquez and Nabokov - the authors favored at the top end of the graph - happened to be my favorite writers at SAT age as well. The fact that their writing styles require extraordinary attention to complex sentence structure and use particularly esoteric vocabulary suggests that teenagers who enjoy their books have the verbal skills that predispose them to doing particularly well on that portion of the test. (As it were, my verbal score was perfect; math, not so much!) 

I grew up in a household so poor that we couldn&#039;t afford a TV for much of my formative years, which is probably why I was reading more than the average kid. I realize this is not a statistically common scenario, but it does make me cringe at the association between class and taste in literature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gwen &#8211; I agree that the methodology of this &#8220;study&#8221; would be extremely poor for proving&#8230;well, really anything at all. To begin with, I&#8217;d dispose immediately of the idea that there SAT score measures intelligence.</p>
<p>But it would be absurd to suggest that the books a young person reads most intently &#8211; the &#8216;favorites&#8217; rather than the half-digested classroom assignments &#8211; don&#8217;t have a direct impact on scores in a test that is 50% verbal skills. </p>
<p>Coincidentally, Marquez and Nabokov &#8211; the authors favored at the top end of the graph &#8211; happened to be my favorite writers at SAT age as well. The fact that their writing styles require extraordinary attention to complex sentence structure and use particularly esoteric vocabulary suggests that teenagers who enjoy their books have the verbal skills that predispose them to doing particularly well on that portion of the test. (As it were, my verbal score was perfect; math, not so much!) </p>
<p>I grew up in a household so poor that we couldn&#8217;t afford a TV for much of my formative years, which is probably why I was reading more than the average kid. I realize this is not a statistically common scenario, but it does make me cringe at the association between class and taste in literature.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: SATs, College, And &#34;Books That Make You Dumb&#34;: The Politics Of Academic Merit [(Mis)education] &#124; GOSSIPGOSSIP.INFO</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/07/06/dumb-vs-smart-books/comment-page-1/#comment-77642</link>
		<dc:creator>SATs, College, And &#34;Books That Make You Dumb&#34;: The Politics Of Academic Merit [(Mis)education] &#124; GOSSIPGOSSIP.INFO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=10585#comment-77642</guid>
		<description>[...] about black achievement. A unfortunate striking associated to this opening went up yesterday at Sociological Images (Gawker found it last year). The graph purports to show which books &#8220;make you dumb,&#8221; by [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] about black achievement. A unfortunate striking associated to this opening went up yesterday at Sociological Images (Gawker found it last year). The graph purports to show which books &#8220;make you dumb,&#8221; by [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Matt K</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/07/06/dumb-vs-smart-books/comment-page-1/#comment-76883</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 04:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=10585#comment-76883</guid>
		<description>Nat, I don&#039;t mean to discount your experience, but it might be that you&#039;re an exception rather than the average. Either way, it&#039;s pretty hard to flat-out deny such a statement using only one&#039;s personal experience. Class can influence access to libraries, what reading material is in one&#039;s home, and even how valued the experience of reading is, along with how much time is available for literary pursuits.

Unrelated: do you think we can start deleting obvious troll comments? They&#039;re getting a little old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nat, I don&#8217;t mean to discount your experience, but it might be that you&#8217;re an exception rather than the average. Either way, it&#8217;s pretty hard to flat-out deny such a statement using only one&#8217;s personal experience. Class can influence access to libraries, what reading material is in one&#8217;s home, and even how valued the experience of reading is, along with how much time is available for literary pursuits.</p>
<p>Unrelated: do you think we can start deleting obvious troll comments? They&#8217;re getting a little old.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Vale</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/07/06/dumb-vs-smart-books/comment-page-1/#comment-76785</link>
		<dc:creator>Vale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=10585#comment-76785</guid>
		<description>Did any of you idiots read Virgil&#039;s disclaimer on his site stating that he is well aware that correlation does NOT EQUAL causation? It was all in good fun, and clearly he means YOU when he refers to those without a sense of humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did any of you idiots read Virgil&#8217;s disclaimer on his site stating that he is well aware that correlation does NOT EQUAL causation? It was all in good fun, and clearly he means YOU when he refers to those without a sense of humor.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Nat</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/07/06/dumb-vs-smart-books/comment-page-1/#comment-76765</link>
		<dc:creator>Nat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=10585#comment-76765</guid>
		<description>&quot;To a great extent, what we read is a reflection of our class&quot;

No. I am working class, but my reading is as varied as the shelves of a well stocked library.  I&#039;ve read classics by authors like Jane Austen, George Orwell, Aldous Huxley and Charles Dickens, but I also love to delve into the likes of JK Rowling&#039;s Harry Potter series or Stephanie Meyer&#039;s Twilight series for a bit of easy going light reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;To a great extent, what we read is a reflection of our class&#8221;</p>
<p>No. I am working class, but my reading is as varied as the shelves of a well stocked library.  I&#8217;ve read classics by authors like Jane Austen, George Orwell, Aldous Huxley and Charles Dickens, but I also love to delve into the likes of JK Rowling&#8217;s Harry Potter series or Stephanie Meyer&#8217;s Twilight series for a bit of easy going light reading.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Tomecat</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/07/06/dumb-vs-smart-books/comment-page-1/#comment-76674</link>
		<dc:creator>Tomecat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=10585#comment-76674</guid>
		<description>Has anyone mentioned that these are high school students?  A major consideration at that age is exposure, which is directly related to class/income/parental influence--not intelligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone mentioned that these are high school students?  A major consideration at that age is exposure, which is directly related to class/income/parental influence&#8211;not intelligence.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Chris LaBrunda</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/07/06/dumb-vs-smart-books/comment-page-1/#comment-76468</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris LaBrunda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=10585#comment-76468</guid>
		<description>I got a 1600, so whatever I was reading in high school was actually books that make you smart.  If you want to be smart like me, you should read a lot of...

*drumroll*

Star Wars and Dragonlance books.  (Timothy Zahn and Weis &amp; Hickman were the best)
Ender&#039;s Game gets an honorable mention.

How do people actually finish Crime and Punishment, anyway?  Nothing happens for like 400 pages.

I liked the chart, it&#039;s funny and cute.

If you really want to do well at the SAT&#039;s, just know 2 different ways to do every math problem and be fast enough to use both.  (In my year, a single wrong answer would tank your math score down to 770)  For the verbal, read a ton.  (In my year, you could miss 3 verbal questions and still get an 800).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got a 1600, so whatever I was reading in high school was actually books that make you smart.  If you want to be smart like me, you should read a lot of&#8230;</p>
<p>*drumroll*</p>
<p>Star Wars and Dragonlance books.  (Timothy Zahn and Weis &amp; Hickman were the best)<br />
Ender&#8217;s Game gets an honorable mention.</p>
<p>How do people actually finish Crime and Punishment, anyway?  Nothing happens for like 400 pages.</p>
<p>I liked the chart, it&#8217;s funny and cute.</p>
<p>If you really want to do well at the SAT&#8217;s, just know 2 different ways to do every math problem and be fast enough to use both.  (In my year, a single wrong answer would tank your math score down to 770)  For the verbal, read a ton.  (In my year, you could miss 3 verbal questions and still get an 800).</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Christine</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/07/06/dumb-vs-smart-books/comment-page-1/#comment-76452</link>
		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=10585#comment-76452</guid>
		<description>@Gigi - I love the two books you claim no one loves, though currently they are not listed on my Facebook page. They&#039;re beautiful writing! I also love Harry Potter and Jennifer Weiner&#039;s &quot;chick lit&quot; books. It&#039;s possible to like all of the above!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gigi &#8211; I love the two books you claim no one loves, though currently they are not listed on my Facebook page. They&#8217;re beautiful writing! I also love Harry Potter and Jennifer Weiner&#8217;s &#8220;chick lit&#8221; books. It&#8217;s possible to like all of the above!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: opminded</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/07/06/dumb-vs-smart-books/comment-page-1/#comment-76409</link>
		<dc:creator>opminded</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=10585#comment-76409</guid>
		<description>Hey Virgil, thanks for commenting. Great work!

Question: What are your favorite books?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Virgil, thanks for commenting. Great work!</p>
<p>Question: What are your favorite books?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Книгите които те правят по-тъп &#124; Даниела и Михаил</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/07/06/dumb-vs-smart-books/comment-page-1/#comment-76240</link>
		<dc:creator>Книгите които те правят по-тъп &#124; Даниела и Михаил</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 06:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=10585#comment-76240</guid>
		<description>[...] връзка. Естествено това не пречи на thesocietypages.org (откъдето взех линка) да са яко наострени по темата, но [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] връзка. Естествено това не пречи на thesocietypages.org (откъдето взех линка) да са яко наострени по темата, но [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Virgil Griffith</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/07/06/dumb-vs-smart-books/comment-page-1/#comment-76155</link>
		<dc:creator>Virgil Griffith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/?p=10585#comment-76155</guid>
		<description>Hi Becky,

Yes, you are right.  Booksthatmakeyoudumb, as well as the feedback on this blog, amuse me immensely.

People may take my work as jocular or seriously as they please.  I draw no boxes to think within.

Much love,
-Virgil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Becky,</p>
<p>Yes, you are right.  Booksthatmakeyoudumb, as well as the feedback on this blog, amuse me immensely.</p>
<p>People may take my work as jocular or seriously as they please.  I draw no boxes to think within.</p>
<p>Much love,<br />
-Virgil</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

