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	<title>Comments on: Teens and Transgendered Women: Threats to Society</title>
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		<title>By: laurel</title>
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		<dc:creator>laurel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 16:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;trauma&quot; you describe during birth sounds, oh... natural to me. How can a child in the womb, and a child coming out of the womb, not be affected by the circumstances of life? There is no real difference between nature and nurture, we are nurtured from the very moment we begin to exist, and that is the natural state of things. Therefore, as I see it, taking whatever measures to move forward from that natural trauma is also natural. Self &quot;distortion&quot;, which I would term self exploration, is a valid means to cope with the reality of nature-- what your experience has made you, since you began to exist. It&#039;s always a choice, which resides only in the person making it, and it&#039;s not a matter of right or wrong, but one way or another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;trauma&#8221; you describe during birth sounds, oh&#8230; natural to me. How can a child in the womb, and a child coming out of the womb, not be affected by the circumstances of life? There is no real difference between nature and nurture, we are nurtured from the very moment we begin to exist, and that is the natural state of things. Therefore, as I see it, taking whatever measures to move forward from that natural trauma is also natural. Self &#8220;distortion&#8221;, which I would term self exploration, is a valid means to cope with the reality of nature&#8211; what your experience has made you, since you began to exist. It&#8217;s always a choice, which resides only in the person making it, and it&#8217;s not a matter of right or wrong, but one way or another.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudigan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Apr 2011 02:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sexual orientation is based on attraction, not on action. You could be a man and sleep with every other man in the world and still be totally straight. You can&#039;t turn gay just by saying that you&#039;re now gay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sexual orientation is based on attraction, not on action. You could be a man and sleep with every other man in the world and still be totally straight. You can&#8217;t turn gay just by saying that you&#8217;re now gay.</p>
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		<title>By: Truesky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truesky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2011 21:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being gay is a choice , ive heard women say they&#039;ve become lesbians just because women can please them better. I had a friend who was straight turned to being a lesbian then went back because men pleased her more. You can turn gay and stop being gay it&#039;s a matter of choice. it seems like being gay develops in a persons childhood for some it&#039;s a choice for some it&#039;s not</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being gay is a choice , ive heard women say they&#8217;ve become lesbians just because women can please them better. I had a friend who was straight turned to being a lesbian then went back because men pleased her more. You can turn gay and stop being gay it&#8217;s a matter of choice. it seems like being gay develops in a persons childhood for some it&#8217;s a choice for some it&#8217;s not</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2011 02:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also i dislike that the pictures make me think that if i had a sex change i would be an uglyer version of a girl than someone who was born a girl. DAMN ANTI-TRANSEXUAL PROPOGANDA! unless its true, in which case DAMN YOU LIFE!... now im depressed cos it probly is true... well done...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also i dislike that the pictures make me think that if i had a sex change i would be an uglyer version of a girl than someone who was born a girl. DAMN ANTI-TRANSEXUAL PROPOGANDA! unless its true, in which case DAMN YOU LIFE!&#8230; now im depressed cos it probly is true&#8230; well done&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2011 02:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being gay is not a choice. That one fact invalidates your entire argument. Everything about you is shaped from your genes, your environment and your upbringing including your choices coincidently. I know that christians think that god made them special in being able to think but everything that you do can be traced with neuroscience back to the fact that whether you wanted to or not you would make that choice anyway because thats who you are. People dont have a choice to be gay, there are a lot of different reasons suggested ad to why they are and i don&#039;t know which is true but they can&#039;t help it. just the same way that people can&#039;t help being african american, unless they want to be like michael jackson. im gonna end this random rant by saying that the future is predetermined by the character of those who shape it and though we might think we&#039;re in control, control is an illusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being gay is not a choice. That one fact invalidates your entire argument. Everything about you is shaped from your genes, your environment and your upbringing including your choices coincidently. I know that christians think that god made them special in being able to think but everything that you do can be traced with neuroscience back to the fact that whether you wanted to or not you would make that choice anyway because thats who you are. People dont have a choice to be gay, there are a lot of different reasons suggested ad to why they are and i don&#8217;t know which is true but they can&#8217;t help it. just the same way that people can&#8217;t help being african american, unless they want to be like michael jackson. im gonna end this random rant by saying that the future is predetermined by the character of those who shape it and though we might think we&#8217;re in control, control is an illusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 14:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to know where you came by this bizare information?
 I have been researching this subject much of my 62 years and have never come accross such a concept. The cause is physical in nature having nothing to do with &quot;pre birth truma&quot;. Since the AMA now accepts the existance of the physical causes of this being basic brain development from conception (it is true in 1 in 250 births) The concepts put forth by Researcher (I don&#039;t think so) are at best baseless and at worst an attempt to separate an important aspect of human society from the rest and that is that gender is not either-or but on a sliding scale in which we are all somewhere in between absolute male and absolute Female.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to know where you came by this bizare information?<br />
 I have been researching this subject much of my 62 years and have never come accross such a concept. The cause is physical in nature having nothing to do with &#8220;pre birth truma&#8221;. Since the AMA now accepts the existance of the physical causes of this being basic brain development from conception (it is true in 1 in 250 births) The concepts put forth by Researcher (I don&#8217;t think so) are at best baseless and at worst an attempt to separate an important aspect of human society from the rest and that is that gender is not either-or but on a sliding scale in which we are all somewhere in between absolute male and absolute Female.</p>
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		<title>By: Ange</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 10:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote your source &#039;Researcher&#039;.  At no point have you referenced any of your quotes and a written piece like this would hold no weight in academia. It is highly one sided and does not show both sides of an argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote your source &#8216;Researcher&#8217;.  At no point have you referenced any of your quotes and a written piece like this would hold no weight in academia. It is highly one sided and does not show both sides of an argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Hellspite</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hellspite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2011 11:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>omgpleasestop, well you ask people not to compare African Americans to gays. How about you not talk out of your ass by saying being is a choice, I believe there are alot of people out who would disagree with you on that part. and I think you need to read how the gays were treated by the Nazi&#039;s during WWII the Jews were not the only race being treated like shyt. And there are those redneck a-holes out would lynch a gay person just as fast as a colored..... excuse me I mean African-American. Believe I&#039;m not gay either but I have friends who are and pisses me off with stupid open their mouths before they know what they talking about!! please don&#039;t take offence, I am by no means calling you stupid just go read before saying something</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>omgpleasestop, well you ask people not to compare African Americans to gays. How about you not talk out of your ass by saying being is a choice, I believe there are alot of people out who would disagree with you on that part. and I think you need to read how the gays were treated by the Nazi&#8217;s during WWII the Jews were not the only race being treated like shyt. And there are those redneck a-holes out would lynch a gay person just as fast as a colored&#8230;.. excuse me I mean African-American. Believe I&#8217;m not gay either but I have friends who are and pisses me off with stupid open their mouths before they know what they talking about!! please don&#8217;t take offence, I am by no means calling you stupid just go read before saying something</p>
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		<title>By: omgpleasestop</title>
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		<dc:creator>omgpleasestop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2011 08:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I HATE when people compare African Americans to gays.  Gay is a choice...being African American isn&#039;t.  Gays were not hung,enslaved,couldn&#039;t drink out of the same drinking fountains as others, separated from their families and roots, given different names and their master&#039;s last names.  It&#039;s very disrespectful to black people to compare the two.  African American is a race that can&#039;t be changed.  Gay is mental which means a man can change himself into a women and women can change themselves to men because of the way they feel in their minds.  So PLEASE stop trying to put gays and blacks in the same category.  It&#039;s rude, wrong and neither are the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I HATE when people compare African Americans to gays.  Gay is a choice&#8230;being African American isn&#8217;t.  Gays were not hung,enslaved,couldn&#8217;t drink out of the same drinking fountains as others, separated from their families and roots, given different names and their master&#8217;s last names.  It&#8217;s very disrespectful to black people to compare the two.  African American is a race that can&#8217;t be changed.  Gay is mental which means a man can change himself into a women and women can change themselves to men because of the way they feel in their minds.  So PLEASE stop trying to put gays and blacks in the same category.  It&#8217;s rude, wrong and neither are the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 19:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A little late to the game...

One thing that needs to be considered is a sort of &quot;cost-benefit-risk&quot; analysis.

The problem with acceptance of teen girls is the risk of costs.  Basically, you have biologically adult or biologically juvenile-adult humans with at least some adult motivations but the social status and protection afforded to children.  Combine that with a male brain that&#039;s as focused on secondary sexual characteristics (that teen girls definitely have) as much as the social norms governing sexual behavior and you have the risk of consensual sexual interest/activity or perception of it that has serious, life changing costs included.

The solution--of course--is to use social controls to push teenage girls out of the social environments where physical interactions are even possible.

Transgendered people are somewhat different.  The cost-benefit-risk has two components--social and &quot;biological&quot;--where the biological is tied to being a &quot;functional&quot; reproductive partner and the social is tied into the whole perception of gender roles and sexual roles.

For some, the risk of being homosexual or seen as homosexual is very real because of their religious (and therefore social) beliefs.  Being seen as a homosexual challenges their place in the social networks they rely on.  

For some, it&#039;s a matter of perceived deception by transgender people based on the differential--real or not--between societal gender roles.  There are costs and benefits to each gender, a bias toward or against one&#039;s own gender, and they see people who cross from one to the other--something many people can&#039;t imagine themselves doing--as &quot;cheating the system&quot;.  This can prevent them from seeing the more personal costs of being &quot;mismatched&quot; for transgender people.

And, for some, they simply see transgender people (and teenage girls) as using or having an un-competeable or unfair strategy that threatens to break down the system they rely upon for support and survival.  It&#039;s not so much a &quot;should&quot; thing as much as &quot;must&quot; thing when you have someone--say, a middle aged woman--with no/little marketable skills who depends on the social norm of the man-as-supporter.  While she can (and women often do) learn how to become self-sufficient when their social situation changes, her sunk cost really creates a challenge for her compared to other women who aren&#039;t so dependent on the same social norm.

So, in many ways, the &quot;hate&quot; is a defensive reaction to perceived challenges to the ways of life people have sunk a lot of effort into.  The way to change it is to either change the perception (assuming there isn&#039;t a real challenge), target those who have little investment so far (i.e. the young), or change the way of life.  To change the ways of life, you have to understand it, identify an alternative that is as successful/preferred, and nudge people to transition.  (Or force them through technology or economics.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little late to the game&#8230;</p>
<p>One thing that needs to be considered is a sort of &#8220;cost-benefit-risk&#8221; analysis.</p>
<p>The problem with acceptance of teen girls is the risk of costs.  Basically, you have biologically adult or biologically juvenile-adult humans with at least some adult motivations but the social status and protection afforded to children.  Combine that with a male brain that&#8217;s as focused on secondary sexual characteristics (that teen girls definitely have) as much as the social norms governing sexual behavior and you have the risk of consensual sexual interest/activity or perception of it that has serious, life changing costs included.</p>
<p>The solution&#8211;of course&#8211;is to use social controls to push teenage girls out of the social environments where physical interactions are even possible.</p>
<p>Transgendered people are somewhat different.  The cost-benefit-risk has two components&#8211;social and &#8220;biological&#8221;&#8211;where the biological is tied to being a &#8220;functional&#8221; reproductive partner and the social is tied into the whole perception of gender roles and sexual roles.</p>
<p>For some, the risk of being homosexual or seen as homosexual is very real because of their religious (and therefore social) beliefs.  Being seen as a homosexual challenges their place in the social networks they rely on.  </p>
<p>For some, it&#8217;s a matter of perceived deception by transgender people based on the differential&#8211;real or not&#8211;between societal gender roles.  There are costs and benefits to each gender, a bias toward or against one&#8217;s own gender, and they see people who cross from one to the other&#8211;something many people can&#8217;t imagine themselves doing&#8211;as &#8220;cheating the system&#8221;.  This can prevent them from seeing the more personal costs of being &#8220;mismatched&#8221; for transgender people.</p>
<p>And, for some, they simply see transgender people (and teenage girls) as using or having an un-competeable or unfair strategy that threatens to break down the system they rely upon for support and survival.  It&#8217;s not so much a &#8220;should&#8221; thing as much as &#8220;must&#8221; thing when you have someone&#8211;say, a middle aged woman&#8211;with no/little marketable skills who depends on the social norm of the man-as-supporter.  While she can (and women often do) learn how to become self-sufficient when their social situation changes, her sunk cost really creates a challenge for her compared to other women who aren&#8217;t so dependent on the same social norm.</p>
<p>So, in many ways, the &#8220;hate&#8221; is a defensive reaction to perceived challenges to the ways of life people have sunk a lot of effort into.  The way to change it is to either change the perception (assuming there isn&#8217;t a real challenge), target those who have little investment so far (i.e. the young), or change the way of life.  To change the ways of life, you have to understand it, identify an alternative that is as successful/preferred, and nudge people to transition.  (Or force them through technology or economics.)</p>
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		<title>By: Researcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Researcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 00:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most people do not understand hate.  The &quot;hatred mechanism&quot; manifests when people feel &quot;threatened&quot; due to their own insecurity, and thus resort to &quot;defensive action&quot; for self-protection where they unconsiously attempt to circumvent exposure of their own insecurity because confronting the insecurity is severely painful and usually present due to a childhood assault, violation or abuse, thus their reaction is via an antipodal action contrary to the insecurity and the threat, itself, unified with anger and hostility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most people do not understand hate.  The &#8220;hatred mechanism&#8221; manifests when people feel &#8220;threatened&#8221; due to their own insecurity, and thus resort to &#8220;defensive action&#8221; for self-protection where they unconsiously attempt to circumvent exposure of their own insecurity because confronting the insecurity is severely painful and usually present due to a childhood assault, violation or abuse, thus their reaction is via an antipodal action contrary to the insecurity and the threat, itself, unified with anger and hostility.</p>
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		<title>By: m Andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>m Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 00:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this post is old, but I&#039;d like to point out that these images are sheer marketing propaganda designed to make the viewer subconsciously assume that the female is much younger than the transgendered person, as if the viewer is witnessing a &quot;before&quot; and &quot;after&quot; puberty type shot.  For legal purposes, I bet the females are all over the age of eighteen, possibly nineteen, which means they are in fact quite a bit smaller then the transgendered person. And of course the way the pictures are framed focuses all the viewer&#039;s attention on the identically applied makeup, identical hair, identical blank expressions and identical skin tones as if to imply that a few identical accessories are all that is required to be considered female while focusing attention AWAY from the many differences which are then carefully hidden.  

One of them weighs fifty pounds more than the other, for starters, with a great deal more bone mass. I know some trans like to say that taking hormones makes them lose bone mass but if they did then they&#039;d all be diagnosed with SEVERE oestoperosis. And we have NO idea what their personalities are like, at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this post is old, but I&#8217;d like to point out that these images are sheer marketing propaganda designed to make the viewer subconsciously assume that the female is much younger than the transgendered person, as if the viewer is witnessing a &#8220;before&#8221; and &#8220;after&#8221; puberty type shot.  For legal purposes, I bet the females are all over the age of eighteen, possibly nineteen, which means they are in fact quite a bit smaller then the transgendered person. And of course the way the pictures are framed focuses all the viewer&#8217;s attention on the identically applied makeup, identical hair, identical blank expressions and identical skin tones as if to imply that a few identical accessories are all that is required to be considered female while focusing attention AWAY from the many differences which are then carefully hidden.  </p>
<p>One of them weighs fifty pounds more than the other, for starters, with a great deal more bone mass. I know some trans like to say that taking hormones makes them lose bone mass but if they did then they&#8217;d all be diagnosed with SEVERE oestoperosis. And we have NO idea what their personalities are like, at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Logan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Logan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 17:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone remember when African-Americans were disliked because of the color of their skin, or what the Nazis did to the Jews because who they are? Maybe the fact that we hate what we can&#039;t understand... of maybe we hate ourselves because we can&#039;t change what we are? I see and hear so many people talk about how transgender people are a blight... heard the same thing back in the 70&#039;s about how African-Americans were the blight, then the gays, or smokers or mentally disabled people? Anytime something new comes to play in our little worlds we hate. or we try to kill it! People never really think that on this small planet called Earth we got to share it with each other period and if you don&#039;t like it go find another world to live on.... I mean come on people who says that a person with their own personalities can&#039;t decide for themselves if they are male or female... we change things in our lives everyday if they don&#039;t fit what we want right? How come a man or woman can&#039;t what they feel is right for them? In some cases I think the problem is real women will lose out with real men, or even vice versa. Simply because a trans-female(male) has spent enough time in their original life to understand what the opposite sex whats in a relationship. Who knows what people are going to find to bitch about next but the long run we are all HUMAN! so put that in your book and remember and get on with living your life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone remember when African-Americans were disliked because of the color of their skin, or what the Nazis did to the Jews because who they are? Maybe the fact that we hate what we can&#8217;t understand&#8230; of maybe we hate ourselves because we can&#8217;t change what we are? I see and hear so many people talk about how transgender people are a blight&#8230; heard the same thing back in the 70&#8242;s about how African-Americans were the blight, then the gays, or smokers or mentally disabled people? Anytime something new comes to play in our little worlds we hate. or we try to kill it! People never really think that on this small planet called Earth we got to share it with each other period and if you don&#8217;t like it go find another world to live on&#8230;. I mean come on people who says that a person with their own personalities can&#8217;t decide for themselves if they are male or female&#8230; we change things in our lives everyday if they don&#8217;t fit what we want right? How come a man or woman can&#8217;t what they feel is right for them? In some cases I think the problem is real women will lose out with real men, or even vice versa. Simply because a trans-female(male) has spent enough time in their original life to understand what the opposite sex whats in a relationship. Who knows what people are going to find to bitch about next but the long run we are all HUMAN! so put that in your book and remember and get on with living your life.</p>
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		<title>By: Lexi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lexi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 05:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One problem with saying you should &#039;differentiate&#039; between the cis and the trans is ME.

You say &#039;oh, this woman is trans&#039; and what, you suddenly know she grew up hanging aaround with boys and trying to awkwardly learn football? That she spent her childhood sureptitiously trying on makeup and dresses? You can suddenly know that she is superfemme? Or that she spent a little time thinking she was a gay man?

I&#039;m sorry, but you know none of this, and any assumption based on this is a prejudice as bad as any other.

Take the following argument:
&quot;You are a trans woman. You didn&#039;t grow up as a girl, with our troubles, so you cannot be counted as one of our number.&quot;
and transpose it onto The Fresh Prince of Bel Air:
&quot;You are a rich black man. You didn&#039;t grow up in a rough area, with our troubles, so you cannot be counted as black.&quot;

Like any analogy, it isn&#039;t foolproof, but as an overall concept what is different?

As for trans and pubescent girls being &#039;threatening&#039;... uh, Crazy Old Doctor Freud much? :]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One problem with saying you should &#8216;differentiate&#8217; between the cis and the trans is ME.</p>
<p>You say &#8216;oh, this woman is trans&#8217; and what, you suddenly know she grew up hanging aaround with boys and trying to awkwardly learn football? That she spent her childhood sureptitiously trying on makeup and dresses? You can suddenly know that she is superfemme? Or that she spent a little time thinking she was a gay man?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but you know none of this, and any assumption based on this is a prejudice as bad as any other.</p>
<p>Take the following argument:<br />
&#8220;You are a trans woman. You didn&#8217;t grow up as a girl, with our troubles, so you cannot be counted as one of our number.&#8221;<br />
and transpose it onto The Fresh Prince of Bel Air:<br />
&#8220;You are a rich black man. You didn&#8217;t grow up in a rough area, with our troubles, so you cannot be counted as black.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like any analogy, it isn&#8217;t foolproof, but as an overall concept what is different?</p>
<p>As for trans and pubescent girls being &#8216;threatening&#8217;&#8230; uh, Crazy Old Doctor Freud much? :]</p>
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		<title>By: lyssa</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/06/19/teens-and-transgendered-women-threats-to-society/comment-page-2/#comment-338205</link>
		<dc:creator>lyssa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 12:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re supposed to view these with sheer terror? lol

Weeeeell, I&#039;d say I&#039;m more full of terror because there seem to be naked underaged girls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re supposed to view these with sheer terror? lol</p>
<p>Weeeeell, I&#8217;d say I&#8217;m more full of terror because there seem to be naked underaged girls.</p>
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