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	<title>Comments on: Sex Work, Disrespect, And Women&#8217;s Empowerment</title>
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		<title>By: evie</title>
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		<dc:creator>evie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 18:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you know that most women in prostitution have survived childhood sexual abuse, most commonly perpetrated by their fathers, this video becomes disgusting.  Even more so when you know about the number who were pimped for the first time by their fathers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you know that most women in prostitution have survived childhood sexual abuse, most commonly perpetrated by their fathers, this video becomes disgusting.  Even more so when you know about the number who were pimped for the first time by their fathers.</p>
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		<title>By: Kayle</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/06/07/sex-work-disrespect-and-womens-empowerment/comment-page-1/#comment-499023</link>
		<dc:creator>Kayle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2011 18:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YEP.</description>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/06/07/sex-work-disrespect-and-womens-empowerment/comment-page-1/#comment-469128</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2011 04:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The video is not about sex work from the sex-worker&#039;s perspective, so there is no relevance to the comments arguing for or against the agency of sex workers.

The video is targeted to men who want sex without considering the needs of the woman, to change their viewpoint.  It is looking at sex work from a particular client&#039;s perspective.  It is telling the male client to consider the woman as a person, showing how she is someone&#039;s daughter, not a piece of flesh.  The video is denigrating the objectification of women.

Arguments about the agency of sex workers may lead into the realm of whether they are object or subjects, but this video is simply covering a different issue: asking men not to look at sex workers as objects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The video is not about sex work from the sex-worker&#8217;s perspective, so there is no relevance to the comments arguing for or against the agency of sex workers.</p>
<p>The video is targeted to men who want sex without considering the needs of the woman, to change their viewpoint.  It is looking at sex work from a particular client&#8217;s perspective.  It is telling the male client to consider the woman as a person, showing how she is someone&#8217;s daughter, not a piece of flesh.  The video is denigrating the objectification of women.</p>
<p>Arguments about the agency of sex workers may lead into the realm of whether they are object or subjects, but this video is simply covering a different issue: asking men not to look at sex workers as objects.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When taking into account the dangers of sex work for those without choices, one finds a stigmatized social view, political underhandedness and the patriarchy at the heart of women&#039;s abuses. See countries with legal sex work for a snapshot of relatively safe, healthy and pimp-free jobs.

I think the ad is actually trying to convey a fear of the dangers of current American sex work to women, our daughters, and that without demand, women would not suffer those horrible conditions. Which is fair enough. Not necessarily the correct method of fixing the perceived problem, but would technically work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When taking into account the dangers of sex work for those without choices, one finds a stigmatized social view, political underhandedness and the patriarchy at the heart of women&#8217;s abuses. See countries with legal sex work for a snapshot of relatively safe, healthy and pimp-free jobs.</p>
<p>I think the ad is actually trying to convey a fear of the dangers of current American sex work to women, our daughters, and that without demand, women would not suffer those horrible conditions. Which is fair enough. Not necessarily the correct method of fixing the perceived problem, but would technically work.</p>
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		<title>By: Kitty Cole</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/06/07/sex-work-disrespect-and-womens-empowerment/comment-page-1/#comment-68038</link>
		<dc:creator>Kitty Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The conservative Christians should have thought about &quot;somebody&#039;s son&quot; before they decided to go gun ho into full support of the war in the middle East.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The conservative Christians should have thought about &#8220;somebody&#8217;s son&#8221; before they decided to go gun ho into full support of the war in the middle East.</p>
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		<title>By: josie</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/06/07/sex-work-disrespect-and-womens-empowerment/comment-page-1/#comment-60987</link>
		<dc:creator>josie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 21:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EGhead: &quot;As pg said in so many words, the belief that sex work is a choice is largely a function of privilege; it is only a choice for a minority of sex workers, who are largely middle-class white women. If you want the research, you’re more than welcome to look it up yourself.

I do find this site’s lack of critique of sex work disturbing, though I agree with the analysis of this video.&quot;


I&#039;m with you and pg, and I am also really surprised at the lack of critique of sex work given the types of analysis y&#039;all are constantly doing on sex-vertisements.
It&#039;s definitely upsetting to hear this &quot;choice&quot; argument all of the time because most &quot;choice&quot; strippers, prostitutes, and other types of sex workers, as EG pointed out, are white and privileged, where as the overwhelming majority of sex workers are not either of these, their perspective, when we actually get to hear it (seldomly) is quite different!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EGhead: &#8220;As pg said in so many words, the belief that sex work is a choice is largely a function of privilege; it is only a choice for a minority of sex workers, who are largely middle-class white women. If you want the research, you’re more than welcome to look it up yourself.</p>
<p>I do find this site’s lack of critique of sex work disturbing, though I agree with the analysis of this video.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with you and pg, and I am also really surprised at the lack of critique of sex work given the types of analysis y&#8217;all are constantly doing on sex-vertisements.<br />
It&#8217;s definitely upsetting to hear this &#8220;choice&#8221; argument all of the time because most &#8220;choice&#8221; strippers, prostitutes, and other types of sex workers, as EG pointed out, are white and privileged, where as the overwhelming majority of sex workers are not either of these, their perspective, when we actually get to hear it (seldomly) is quite different!</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/06/07/sex-work-disrespect-and-womens-empowerment/comment-page-1/#comment-56691</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 00:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember a very effective moment in a workshop on sexual assault, asking participants to consider in sexual situations: &quot;Would I want someone to treat my sister/brother/son/daughter like this?&quot;  I found it a useful way to look at the murky world of sexual ethics, because I think we&#039;re better at considering the wellbeing of people we&#039;re intimate with in nonsexual ways.  But then, most of us have trouble thinking of our family members as sexual people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember a very effective moment in a workshop on sexual assault, asking participants to consider in sexual situations: &#8220;Would I want someone to treat my sister/brother/son/daughter like this?&#8221;  I found it a useful way to look at the murky world of sexual ethics, because I think we&#8217;re better at considering the wellbeing of people we&#8217;re intimate with in nonsexual ways.  But then, most of us have trouble thinking of our family members as sexual people.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/06/07/sex-work-disrespect-and-womens-empowerment/comment-page-1/#comment-56614</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 23:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just found this fitting news article today: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2319863.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just found this fitting news article today: <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2319863.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2319863.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: b</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/06/07/sex-work-disrespect-and-womens-empowerment/comment-page-1/#comment-51971</link>
		<dc:creator>b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that bothers me is the part that intersperses video of teens in dance recitals, as if to say &quot;Look, these girls have actual talents, isn&#039;t it sad that they&#039;ve been reduced to dancing naked.&quot; As though pole dancing takes less talent than ballet! It&#039;s just fine for them to get up onstage and be stared at for the beautiful movements their bodies make as long as their boobs are covered up. But take off the leotard and it&#039;s a sad waste of talent, and you&#039;re a bad person for enjoying it.

I also notice that some of the arguments on here are lumping prostitution, pornography, and stripping into one big &quot;sex worker&quot; pile - which is okay for some arguments but doesn&#039;t work as well for others. For example, I&#039;m guessing the percentage of prostitutes that are not doing it by choice is different from the percentage of strippers, given that prostitution is not only illegal in most of the country but inherently riskier because of both the potential fluid exchange and the &quot;being alone with a stranger in a private place&quot; aspect. I would guess that most women are far less likely to go into such a risky profession unless they feel compelled to for one reason or another, as opposed to women who see stripping as a convenient way to pay for college, or to have a dance career when &quot;mainstream&quot; dancing didn&#039;t work out. Pornography is probably somewhere in between, but it definitely seems to be on the riskier side. This video, however, is definitely primarily about stripping, then pornography - it doesn&#039;t really seem to address prostitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that bothers me is the part that intersperses video of teens in dance recitals, as if to say &#8220;Look, these girls have actual talents, isn&#8217;t it sad that they&#8217;ve been reduced to dancing naked.&#8221; As though pole dancing takes less talent than ballet! It&#8217;s just fine for them to get up onstage and be stared at for the beautiful movements their bodies make as long as their boobs are covered up. But take off the leotard and it&#8217;s a sad waste of talent, and you&#8217;re a bad person for enjoying it.</p>
<p>I also notice that some of the arguments on here are lumping prostitution, pornography, and stripping into one big &#8220;sex worker&#8221; pile &#8211; which is okay for some arguments but doesn&#8217;t work as well for others. For example, I&#8217;m guessing the percentage of prostitutes that are not doing it by choice is different from the percentage of strippers, given that prostitution is not only illegal in most of the country but inherently riskier because of both the potential fluid exchange and the &#8220;being alone with a stranger in a private place&#8221; aspect. I would guess that most women are far less likely to go into such a risky profession unless they feel compelled to for one reason or another, as opposed to women who see stripping as a convenient way to pay for college, or to have a dance career when &#8220;mainstream&#8221; dancing didn&#8217;t work out. Pornography is probably somewhere in between, but it definitely seems to be on the riskier side. This video, however, is definitely primarily about stripping, then pornography &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t really seem to address prostitution.</p>
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		<title>By: EGhead</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/06/07/sex-work-disrespect-and-womens-empowerment/comment-page-1/#comment-51728</link>
		<dc:creator>EGhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 05:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt K, while I appreciate some of your points, I have to say that this logic of &#039;selling a service&#039; is B.S.  Sex work is NOT analogous to driving a taxi or any other kind of work, because sex is not something that has an analogy-- nothing else affects us physically, psychologically, and emotionally the way that sex does.

As pg said in so many words, the belief that sex work is a choice is largely a function of privilege; it is only a choice for a minority of sex workers, who are largely middle-class white women. If you want the research, you&#039;re more than welcome to look it up yourself.

I do find this site&#039;s lack of critique of sex work disturbing, though I agree with the analysis of this video.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt K, while I appreciate some of your points, I have to say that this logic of &#8216;selling a service&#8217; is B.S.  Sex work is NOT analogous to driving a taxi or any other kind of work, because sex is not something that has an analogy&#8211; nothing else affects us physically, psychologically, and emotionally the way that sex does.</p>
<p>As pg said in so many words, the belief that sex work is a choice is largely a function of privilege; it is only a choice for a minority of sex workers, who are largely middle-class white women. If you want the research, you&#8217;re more than welcome to look it up yourself.</p>
<p>I do find this site&#8217;s lack of critique of sex work disturbing, though I agree with the analysis of this video.</p>
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		<title>By: demonista</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/06/07/sex-work-disrespect-and-womens-empowerment/comment-page-1/#comment-51724</link>
		<dc:creator>demonista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 05:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ummm, with radical feminists (and radical profeminists), we are very concerned about what happens to boys in men in prostitution/pornography. Examples include Andrea Dworkin (eg Woman Hating, Pornography, she also discusses rape of men in prisons, domestic violence in gay relationships), Catharine MacKinnon (she believes that the 1 in 6 estimate for boys being sexually abused is too low), Sheila Jeffreys (she believes it&#039;s harder for men and boys to disclose abuse and talk about than for women because they lack support networks that women sometimes have, men in pornography/prostitution), Chris Kendall (use of men in pornography/prostitution, suicide among queer youth, the eroticisation of sadomasochism, racism, and misogyny in queer culture), Jane Caputi (men victimised by sadistic serial killers, gay bashing), Julian Real and Paul (two radical profeminist men who have experienced sexual abuse), Rus Funk (use of men in pornography, and has written of being gang raped). It&#039;s from radical feminists that we get the idea that the sexual abuse of males is a political issue needing feminist attention. 

The &quot;somebody&#039;s daughter&quot; is to mean that you wouldn&#039;t like for your daughter to be treated by men the way women in pornography are treated. 

I think it is vital for men, in order to understand prostitution/pornography, to picture themselves used like the women (and &quot;bottom&quot; men) are used in pornography. Think of themselves in her shoes, not the pimp/john/pornophile&#039;s shoes.

re: sources for the 85-95% stat, see a study by the UN&#039;s ILO on the &quot;sex trade&quot;--96% of their interviewees wanted to escape, also

Farley, Melissa, ed. Prostitution, Trafficking, and Traumatic Stress. 

Jeffreys, Sheila. The Idea of Prostitution and The Industrial Vagina

MacKinnon, Catharine A., and Andrea Dworkin, eds. In Harm’s Way: The Pornography Civil Rights Hearings.

http://www.oneangrygirl.net/antiporn.html

Stark, Christine and Rebecca Whisnant, eds. Not for Sale: Feminists Resisting Prostitution and Pornography

www.catwinternational.org

and here&#039;s an essay i wrote last year on pornography: http://demonista.livejournal.com/97248.html (i analyzed it as a system of prostitution)

also, from the first book, I highly recommend Lisa Kramer&#039;s article on the &quot;emotional experiences of performing prostitution.&quot; truly brilliant information is uncovered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummm, with radical feminists (and radical profeminists), we are very concerned about what happens to boys in men in prostitution/pornography. Examples include Andrea Dworkin (eg Woman Hating, Pornography, she also discusses rape of men in prisons, domestic violence in gay relationships), Catharine MacKinnon (she believes that the 1 in 6 estimate for boys being sexually abused is too low), Sheila Jeffreys (she believes it&#8217;s harder for men and boys to disclose abuse and talk about than for women because they lack support networks that women sometimes have, men in pornography/prostitution), Chris Kendall (use of men in pornography/prostitution, suicide among queer youth, the eroticisation of sadomasochism, racism, and misogyny in queer culture), Jane Caputi (men victimised by sadistic serial killers, gay bashing), Julian Real and Paul (two radical profeminist men who have experienced sexual abuse), Rus Funk (use of men in pornography, and has written of being gang raped). It&#8217;s from radical feminists that we get the idea that the sexual abuse of males is a political issue needing feminist attention. </p>
<p>The &#8220;somebody&#8217;s daughter&#8221; is to mean that you wouldn&#8217;t like for your daughter to be treated by men the way women in pornography are treated. </p>
<p>I think it is vital for men, in order to understand prostitution/pornography, to picture themselves used like the women (and &#8220;bottom&#8221; men) are used in pornography. Think of themselves in her shoes, not the pimp/john/pornophile&#8217;s shoes.</p>
<p>re: sources for the 85-95% stat, see a study by the UN&#8217;s ILO on the &#8220;sex trade&#8221;&#8211;96% of their interviewees wanted to escape, also</p>
<p>Farley, Melissa, ed. Prostitution, Trafficking, and Traumatic Stress. </p>
<p>Jeffreys, Sheila. The Idea of Prostitution and The Industrial Vagina</p>
<p>MacKinnon, Catharine A., and Andrea Dworkin, eds. In Harm’s Way: The Pornography Civil Rights Hearings.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.oneangrygirl.net/antiporn.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.oneangrygirl.net/antiporn.html</a></p>
<p>Stark, Christine and Rebecca Whisnant, eds. Not for Sale: Feminists Resisting Prostitution and Pornography</p>
<p><a href="http://www.catwinternational.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.catwinternational.org</a></p>
<p>and here&#8217;s an essay i wrote last year on pornography: <a href="http://demonista.livejournal.com/97248.html" rel="nofollow">http://demonista.livejournal.com/97248.html</a> (i analyzed it as a system of prostitution)</p>
<p>also, from the first book, I highly recommend Lisa Kramer&#8217;s article on the &#8220;emotional experiences of performing prostitution.&#8221; truly brilliant information is uncovered.</p>
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		<title>By: Thaddeus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thaddeus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 22:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Giving away the bride.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Giving away the bride.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Matt K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pg, could you cite sources for those numbers on people wanting to leave the sex industry?

Nobody is trying to say that everyone is in the sex industry by choice, I am just trying to raise questions and challenge some assumptions. What exactly is being sold? Is it &quot;access to a body&quot; or a service? I&#039;d say often, it is the latter.

And the lack of concerns about men do reveal a gendered issue here, as vegkitty mentioned earlier. We are all very concerned about women &quot;selling themselves&quot; when they are really selling a sexual service. Why do we reduce a woman&#039;s self to her sexuality? It&#039;s a symptom of a wider patriarchal society, I think, and it means that men in sex work are either ignored or held to maintain their agency.

I also agree with Inky -- we should really look at what this ad is trying to tell us. Does it mean it&#039;s only okay to have sex with another man&#039;s daughter if you&#039;re married? Engaged? In a long-term relationship? This is where the ownership message is coming through to me, and maybe some others -- it&#039;s only okay to have sex with another man&#039;s daughter once he&#039;s &quot;transferred ownership&quot; to you through marriage or what have you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pg, could you cite sources for those numbers on people wanting to leave the sex industry?</p>
<p>Nobody is trying to say that everyone is in the sex industry by choice, I am just trying to raise questions and challenge some assumptions. What exactly is being sold? Is it &#8220;access to a body&#8221; or a service? I&#8217;d say often, it is the latter.</p>
<p>And the lack of concerns about men do reveal a gendered issue here, as vegkitty mentioned earlier. We are all very concerned about women &#8220;selling themselves&#8221; when they are really selling a sexual service. Why do we reduce a woman&#8217;s self to her sexuality? It&#8217;s a symptom of a wider patriarchal society, I think, and it means that men in sex work are either ignored or held to maintain their agency.</p>
<p>I also agree with Inky &#8212; we should really look at what this ad is trying to tell us. Does it mean it&#8217;s only okay to have sex with another man&#8217;s daughter if you&#8217;re married? Engaged? In a long-term relationship? This is where the ownership message is coming through to me, and maybe some others &#8212; it&#8217;s only okay to have sex with another man&#8217;s daughter once he&#8217;s &#8220;transferred ownership&#8221; to you through marriage or what have you.</p>
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		<title>By: Inky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Inky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really confused as to how the idea that women in pornography have fathers can be used as a deterent to seeing them in a sexual light.

I mean, if we inherently considered all women who were daughters as sexually &quot;off limits&quot; then the entirety of the female population would be sexually unavailable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really confused as to how the idea that women in pornography have fathers can be used as a deterent to seeing them in a sexual light.</p>
<p>I mean, if we inherently considered all women who were daughters as sexually &#8220;off limits&#8221; then the entirety of the female population would be sexually unavailable.</p>
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		<title>By: Thaddeus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thaddeus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does a woman somehow stop being &quot;somebody&#039;s daughter&quot; and thus acceptable as sexually desirable if she is your wife?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does a woman somehow stop being &#8220;somebody&#8217;s daughter&#8221; and thus acceptable as sexually desirable if she is your wife?</p>
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