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	<title>Comments on: Dell Reaches Out to Women With the Same Tired Stereotypes</title>
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		<title>By: Your Biggest Marketing Opportunity &#8211; Unseen? Untapped? &#124; Germane Insights</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/05/12/dell-reaches-out-to-women-with-the-same-tired-stereotypes/comment-page-1/#comment-190247</link>
		<dc:creator>Your Biggest Marketing Opportunity &#8211; Unseen? Untapped? &#124; Germane Insights</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] her outfit was not only not a priority for but an insult to women. Dell would have been spared the negative press and other costs of this [...]</description>
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		<title>By: A Collection of Items on Gender and Science/Tech Topics &#187; Sociological Images</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Collection of Items on Gender and Science/Tech Topics &#187; Sociological Images</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] posts: science fiction, women, and war, Dell markets to women, info on percents of science/engineering Ph.D.s earned by women, PMS Tracker app, gendering robots, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dell-Lifestyle Use Case &#8220;Frau kauft Netbook&#8221; &#171; Annafant&#8217;s NotizBlog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dell-Lifestyle Use Case &#8220;Frau kauft Netbook&#8221; &#171; Annafant&#8217;s NotizBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 09:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Gets Burned # Dell&#8217;s new marketing tactic? Sexism # What Do Women Want in a Laptop? # Dell reaches out to women with the same tired stereotypes Die Seite war anscheinend vorher noch interessanter  Es gab wohl noch Use Cases zu Diätplänen und [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kamaria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kamaria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 21:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it me, or am I the only one who hasn&#039;t sat in a group of friends, laughing and smiling over what everyone else is looking at? I mean, me and my female friends don&#039;t do that. Actually, I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;m the only one with a laptop...not Dell either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it me, or am I the only one who hasn&#8217;t sat in a group of friends, laughing and smiling over what everyone else is looking at? I mean, me and my female friends don&#8217;t do that. Actually, I&#8217;m pretty sure I&#8217;m the only one with a laptop&#8230;not Dell either.</p>
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		<title>By: fauxscot</title>
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		<dc:creator>fauxscot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 19:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cannot begin to count the number of times someone has said &quot;Oh, I have a piece of crap (POS) Dell&quot; when their computer comes up in conversation. Never had anyone say &quot;POS Apple&quot;.   Dell, to feed back your advice to Steve Jobs years ago, why don&#039;t you just sell off the assets and distribute the proceeds to the shareholders?   Della, indeed.  Jeez.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot begin to count the number of times someone has said &#8220;Oh, I have a piece of crap (POS) Dell&#8221; when their computer comes up in conversation. Never had anyone say &#8220;POS Apple&#8221;.   Dell, to feed back your advice to Steve Jobs years ago, why don&#8217;t you just sell off the assets and distribute the proceeds to the shareholders?   Della, indeed.  Jeez.</p>
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		<title>By: Bagelsan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bagelsan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 20:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donna -- I don&#039;t think Dells are that great really; they&#039;re more like a cheap college kid laptop (that *hopefully* will survive until the kid graduates) than something you really want to invest in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donna &#8212; I don&#8217;t think Dells are that great really; they&#8217;re more like a cheap college kid laptop (that *hopefully* will survive until the kid graduates) than something you really want to invest in.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 16:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, I know the marketing is completely sexist, but now I really have to have one of those!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I know the marketing is completely sexist, but now I really have to have one of those!!</p>
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		<title>By: Bagelsan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bagelsan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 14:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(That is to say, Dell is doing that too, a bit. I haven&#039;t looked at Alienware at all...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(That is to say, Dell is doing that too, a bit. I haven&#8217;t looked at Alienware at all&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Bagelsan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bagelsan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 14:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It’s like they are saying “Check out how powerful this computer looks! A computer that looks this powerful must be awesome!” &lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, I&#039;ve been sniffing around for a new laptop lately and I&#039;m looking for one that&#039;s tough and fast but not pretty. Mostly the Dell website is like &quot;hey, you say you want a fast computer? I&#039;ll bet you&#039;re a gamer!&quot; and I&#039;m like &quot;um, no, I just want to d--&quot; &quot;NO YOU ARE A GAMER TEENAGE BOY now come look at the silvery colors!&quot; &quot;...but, I just want to know if th--&quot; &quot;IT HAS THE WORD XTREME IN THE NAME! Let&#039;s not look at specs let&#039;s play HALO &#039;CAUSE YOU&#039;RE A GAMER!&quot;

This, and the pink (and the overall shitty quality) is part of why I&#039;m not buying Dell this time around. Yick. Just give me the goddamn specs please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It’s like they are saying “Check out how powerful this computer looks! A computer that looks this powerful must be awesome!” </i></p>
<p>Yeah, I&#8217;ve been sniffing around for a new laptop lately and I&#8217;m looking for one that&#8217;s tough and fast but not pretty. Mostly the Dell website is like &#8220;hey, you say you want a fast computer? I&#8217;ll bet you&#8217;re a gamer!&#8221; and I&#8217;m like &#8220;um, no, I just want to d&#8211;&#8221; &#8220;NO YOU ARE A GAMER TEENAGE BOY now come look at the silvery colors!&#8221; &#8220;&#8230;but, I just want to know if th&#8211;&#8221; &#8220;IT HAS THE WORD XTREME IN THE NAME! Let&#8217;s not look at specs let&#8217;s play HALO &#8216;CAUSE YOU&#8217;RE A GAMER!&#8221;</p>
<p>This, and the pink (and the overall shitty quality) is part of why I&#8217;m not buying Dell this time around. Yick. Just give me the goddamn specs please.</p>
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		<title>By: lala</title>
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		<dc:creator>lala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 07:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for doublepost, but I just wanted to add something.  Alienware seems to be doing the same thing for men, probably mostly directed at teenage boys and men in their early twenties.  

If you take a look at their website, they are clearly selling on style, but there is an interesting difference between Alienware and Della&#039;s marketing strategies.  The style is marketed together with the idea that they are good computers.  It&#039;s like they are saying &quot;Check out how powerful this computer looks! A computer that looks this powerful must be awesome!&quot;  You have to really search on the Della site to even find any insinuation that they sell good computers.

It&#039;s also an interesting reflection of how companies market aesthetics to men and women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for doublepost, but I just wanted to add something.  Alienware seems to be doing the same thing for men, probably mostly directed at teenage boys and men in their early twenties.  </p>
<p>If you take a look at their website, they are clearly selling on style, but there is an interesting difference between Alienware and Della&#8217;s marketing strategies.  The style is marketed together with the idea that they are good computers.  It&#8217;s like they are saying &#8220;Check out how powerful this computer looks! A computer that looks this powerful must be awesome!&#8221;  You have to really search on the Della site to even find any insinuation that they sell good computers.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also an interesting reflection of how companies market aesthetics to men and women.</p>
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		<title>By: lala</title>
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		<dc:creator>lala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 06:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those who are missing the point here seem to be making a key mistake.  They are operating under the belief that marketing is something companies do in order to respond to customer&#039;s needs.  That is exactly what the marketers want you to think.  Actually, marketing is something that companies do in order to create needs.

As an example, women never shaved their legs or underarms until Gillette launched a massive campaign to convince us all that women who don&#039;t shave are gross. 

Women are concerned about &quot;style&quot; because lots of companies have invested lots of money to make sure they think they are supposed to.  And now Dell is one more of those companies to add to the pool.

And saying that people should be &quot;burned&quot; because they participate in society is completely absurd.  What the hell?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who are missing the point here seem to be making a key mistake.  They are operating under the belief that marketing is something companies do in order to respond to customer&#8217;s needs.  That is exactly what the marketers want you to think.  Actually, marketing is something that companies do in order to create needs.</p>
<p>As an example, women never shaved their legs or underarms until Gillette launched a massive campaign to convince us all that women who don&#8217;t shave are gross. </p>
<p>Women are concerned about &#8220;style&#8221; because lots of companies have invested lots of money to make sure they think they are supposed to.  And now Dell is one more of those companies to add to the pool.</p>
<p>And saying that people should be &#8220;burned&#8221; because they participate in society is completely absurd.  What the hell?</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 03:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mania,
   I&#039;m not surprised by that at all. If you haven&#039;t read it already, I suggest reading Backlash by Susan Faludi. This is in line with what she wrote in regards to women&#039;s underwear campaigns. The focus groups and marketing research presented what women in general wanted and the companies (with the exception of Jockey) completely disregarded it. Instead of creating what women wanted, they created what they wanted and tried to manipulate women into buying it with news articles that lied about the &quot;latest trends&quot; and so on and it never worked.  
 I don&#039;t understand the stupidity in that or in any marketing strategies. If you appeal to the broadest audience (everyone) then you&#039;ll make the most money. If you fill their needs and create what they want, you&#039;ll make money. Why exclude people who will give you money for your product? Why purposely deny them products they want and sell products they don&#039;t want? It makes no sense!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mania,<br />
   I&#8217;m not surprised by that at all. If you haven&#8217;t read it already, I suggest reading Backlash by Susan Faludi. This is in line with what she wrote in regards to women&#8217;s underwear campaigns. The focus groups and marketing research presented what women in general wanted and the companies (with the exception of Jockey) completely disregarded it. Instead of creating what women wanted, they created what they wanted and tried to manipulate women into buying it with news articles that lied about the &#8220;latest trends&#8221; and so on and it never worked.<br />
 I don&#8217;t understand the stupidity in that or in any marketing strategies. If you appeal to the broadest audience (everyone) then you&#8217;ll make the most money. If you fill their needs and create what they want, you&#8217;ll make money. Why exclude people who will give you money for your product? Why purposely deny them products they want and sell products they don&#8217;t want? It makes no sense!</p>
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		<title>By: Mania</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 23:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to share my experience with you as a simple data point. Please be aware that I am not claiming my experience to be universal in any sense. 

I worked for a large media-savvy company a few years back, in an up-and-coming-young-protege position, so I got to see a lot of the top levels of management in action without having any effect on their decisions. 

I was surprised by how little market analysis really happened, even for things like major advertising campaigns. I was appalled when I found out that this was a cost-cutting measure, because the charismatic CEO would throw out any market research he disagreed with. Since his grasp of our market was slippery at best, it was cheaper just not to do the research than to throw out the majority of it. 

I strongly suspect that this is why we ran several rather offensive ad campaigns while I was there. Oddly, none of them were at all successful ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to share my experience with you as a simple data point. Please be aware that I am not claiming my experience to be universal in any sense. </p>
<p>I worked for a large media-savvy company a few years back, in an up-and-coming-young-protege position, so I got to see a lot of the top levels of management in action without having any effect on their decisions. </p>
<p>I was surprised by how little market analysis really happened, even for things like major advertising campaigns. I was appalled when I found out that this was a cost-cutting measure, because the charismatic CEO would throw out any market research he disagreed with. Since his grasp of our market was slippery at best, it was cheaper just not to do the research than to throw out the majority of it. </p>
<p>I strongly suspect that this is why we ran several rather offensive ad campaigns while I was there. Oddly, none of them were at all successful &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Village Idiot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Village Idiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 18:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wendy said:&lt;i&gt;&quot;Just b/c company pays tons for a marketing firm to figure out what advertising works, doesn’t mean that advertising strategy isn’t based on sexist stereotypes that insult a lot of potential buyers.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

But I doubt anything is going to change in that regard until the campaigns are determined to be ineffective in terms of helping the company achieve their sales goals. It might turn off some or even a lot of potential buyers, but are the number of buyers insulted by such a campaign offset by the number who are drawn to it? I&#039;d guess that the process for determining whether to abandon an ad campaign is similar to how auto companies determine if a recall is in order: Are the number of probable lawsuits (or lost sales) about a defect (or ad campaign) going to cost more or less than a recall? If less, no recall. In a cost-benefit analysis of a marketing campaign like this it&#039;s all about the ratio of consumers feeling insulted vs. those buying the products. 

Companies respond to their bottom line, not their conscience. Management personnel aren&#039;t even &lt;i&gt;allowed&lt;/i&gt; to listen to their consciences (if they have &#039;em) since the mandate of a corporation is profit and growth, period. See how long a CEO who &quot;does the right thing&quot; at the expense of profit lasts, and I don&#039;t mean the all-too-common empty posturing that somehow passes as substantive action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wendy said:<i>&#8220;Just b/c company pays tons for a marketing firm to figure out what advertising works, doesn’t mean that advertising strategy isn’t based on sexist stereotypes that insult a lot of potential buyers.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>But I doubt anything is going to change in that regard until the campaigns are determined to be ineffective in terms of helping the company achieve their sales goals. It might turn off some or even a lot of potential buyers, but are the number of buyers insulted by such a campaign offset by the number who are drawn to it? I&#8217;d guess that the process for determining whether to abandon an ad campaign is similar to how auto companies determine if a recall is in order: Are the number of probable lawsuits (or lost sales) about a defect (or ad campaign) going to cost more or less than a recall? If less, no recall. In a cost-benefit analysis of a marketing campaign like this it&#8217;s all about the ratio of consumers feeling insulted vs. those buying the products. </p>
<p>Companies respond to their bottom line, not their conscience. Management personnel aren&#8217;t even <i>allowed</i> to listen to their consciences (if they have &#8216;em) since the mandate of a corporation is profit and growth, period. See how long a CEO who &#8220;does the right thing&#8221; at the expense of profit lasts, and I don&#8217;t mean the all-too-common empty posturing that somehow passes as substantive action.</p>
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		<title>By: cosmicdenmother</title>
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		<dc:creator>cosmicdenmother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 14:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What, no yogurt?</description>
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