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		<title>By: joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 21:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i love doing sex so much fun u should try it the boys thing hearts some times.</description>
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		<title>By: 05.11:top.10.reads &#171; must be spoken, made verbal, and shared.</title>
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		<dc:creator>05.11:top.10.reads &#171; must be spoken, made verbal, and shared.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: atai</title>
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		<dc:creator>atai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 22:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Links, odds and ends, etc &#171; Cycads</title>
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		<dc:creator>Links, odds and ends, etc &#171; Cycads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 14:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] finally, some pictures compiled by Laura Augustin (via Sociological Images) of unassuming &#8216;red light&#8217; areas. Am Sülzwall red light district, Lüneburg, Germany [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] finally, some pictures compiled by Laura Augustin (via Sociological Images) of unassuming &#8216;red light&#8217; areas. Am Sülzwall red light district, Lüneburg, Germany [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Friday Links &#171;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Friday Links &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 00:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a stereotype about sex work &#8211; they only picture hookers on the street corner. So she compiled a bunch of photos of other places involved in sex work and prostitution. It&#8217;s interesting to see some of the historical photos, and also how plain and innocent [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a stereotype about sex work &#8211; they only picture hookers on the street corner. So she compiled a bunch of photos of other places involved in sex work and prostitution. It&#8217;s interesting to see some of the historical photos, and also how plain and innocent [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matt K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 03:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rachel, I don&#039;t think Agustín is suggesting what you seem to be implying. These images serve as counterpoints to the images of street sex work we are normally presented with, which are held to be representative of a totality of experiences that is incredibly diverse.

Of course I would not claim that brothels are &quot;safe and free solutions&quot; to sex work. Indeed, regulation at all might not be the way to go, since it comes with its own perils. 

You mentioned &quot;exploitation&quot;, but I find that word, along with &quot;trafficking&quot;, get very muddled in debates over sex work. Labelling the entire institution as exploitative gets us nowhere -- it both obscures genuine instances of exploitation (which can be dealt with through forced confinement and other such statutes) and silences those voices who oppose such labelling of their own experiences.

I would highly recommend reading Agustín&#039;s blog for further information on this topic, if you are interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rachel, I don&#8217;t think Agustín is suggesting what you seem to be implying. These images serve as counterpoints to the images of street sex work we are normally presented with, which are held to be representative of a totality of experiences that is incredibly diverse.</p>
<p>Of course I would not claim that brothels are &#8220;safe and free solutions&#8221; to sex work. Indeed, regulation at all might not be the way to go, since it comes with its own perils. </p>
<p>You mentioned &#8220;exploitation&#8221;, but I find that word, along with &#8220;trafficking&#8221;, get very muddled in debates over sex work. Labelling the entire institution as exploitative gets us nowhere &#8212; it both obscures genuine instances of exploitation (which can be dealt with through forced confinement and other such statutes) and silences those voices who oppose such labelling of their own experiences.</p>
<p>I would highly recommend reading Agustín&#8217;s blog for further information on this topic, if you are interested.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 18:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The theme of brothel prostitution being the &quot;civilized&quot; alternative to street work is not a new one. In fact, women in brothels have very little control over their working conditions, sometimes less than street prostitutes. In legalized systems such as Nevada or Australia, the women are employed as &quot;independent contractors&quot; which allows the brothel to avoid paying them hourly wages or benefits, but the constrictions they work under, such as 24-hour availability and restrictions on their ability to reject a customer, would not be allowed for an independent contractor except in an industry which, even in legalized systems, is dependent upon the stigmatization and control of this workforce.

Whatever one thinks of the role of women&#039;s agency in entering sex work, to normalize brothels as the safe and free solution to sex work is deeply disingenuous and requires ignoring the working conditions of women in legal and illegal brothels around the world, including ones that look like these. I appreciate this series of images but am afraid that I take the opposite impression from them than that which Ms. Agustin intended. i appreciate the way that they show how sex work is a normalized part of many different communities, but that in itself does not mean that the work or the working conditions are acceptable. It merely normalizes the exploitation even futher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The theme of brothel prostitution being the &#8220;civilized&#8221; alternative to street work is not a new one. In fact, women in brothels have very little control over their working conditions, sometimes less than street prostitutes. In legalized systems such as Nevada or Australia, the women are employed as &#8220;independent contractors&#8221; which allows the brothel to avoid paying them hourly wages or benefits, but the constrictions they work under, such as 24-hour availability and restrictions on their ability to reject a customer, would not be allowed for an independent contractor except in an industry which, even in legalized systems, is dependent upon the stigmatization and control of this workforce.</p>
<p>Whatever one thinks of the role of women&#8217;s agency in entering sex work, to normalize brothels as the safe and free solution to sex work is deeply disingenuous and requires ignoring the working conditions of women in legal and illegal brothels around the world, including ones that look like these. I appreciate this series of images but am afraid that I take the opposite impression from them than that which Ms. Agustin intended. i appreciate the way that they show how sex work is a normalized part of many different communities, but that in itself does not mean that the work or the working conditions are acceptable. It merely normalizes the exploitation even futher.</p>
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		<title>By: Becky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Becky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 17:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get that these are posted without comment so that they will stand on their own, but I think that some require some context. 

For instance, the image &quot;Soldiers’ brothel (France, WWII)&quot; is clearly a depiction of Nazi soldiers entering a brothel that was formerly a synagogue. I&#039;m not sure how that helps change the image of sex workers, but it is incredibly jarring for anyone who can decipher the (none-too-hidden) subtext.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get that these are posted without comment so that they will stand on their own, but I think that some require some context. </p>
<p>For instance, the image &#8220;Soldiers’ brothel (France, WWII)&#8221; is clearly a depiction of Nazi soldiers entering a brothel that was formerly a synagogue. I&#8217;m not sure how that helps change the image of sex workers, but it is incredibly jarring for anyone who can decipher the (none-too-hidden) subtext.</p>
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		<title>By: Alisha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alisha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 16:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I disagree with the above comments about the importance of a building&#039;s exterior in this context. I think it is quite important, in fact. I would argue that the ordinary features of the buildings&#039; exteriors allow their existence to go unnoticed and filter in to the communities where they exist. 

Part of the point, I think, is that given their appearances, brothels might be more pervasive than we notice. The banality of their exteriors is also at odds with other images we may associate with prostitution, which can challenge our perspectives and acknowledge that these places are less &quot;other&quot; and more a part of our every day communities.

I am also not convinced that this is supposed to be an exercise to get those who are already steeped in the study of sex workers or their lives. I think it might be intended to get those who don&#039;t think about these issues regularly to consider them more carefully. Perhaps it is geared directly at those who are in the moral &quot;uproar&quot; about sex work as indicated in this quote at the top of the post:


&quot;With all uproar focused on the morality of buying and selling sex, most people have little idea what much of the sex industry actually looks like. Or rather, the media repeatedly show the same images of women in short skirts and high boots leaning into car windows, giving the impression that street hooking is the dominant situation, which is far from the truth. And, of course, we are constantly shown horrifying images of the worst sites and victims of trafficking and exploitation…&quot;  

In other words, I think Molly makes a sound point about the need to show more brothels from outside of Europe and the U.S.; but I think that these images help to show prostitution and sex work as a set of concerns that are relevant to any community and their problems are not those of the other, they are problems that should concern us all because these brothels are clearly integrated into &quot;regular&quot; communities (at least in the US and European context).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I disagree with the above comments about the importance of a building&#8217;s exterior in this context. I think it is quite important, in fact. I would argue that the ordinary features of the buildings&#8217; exteriors allow their existence to go unnoticed and filter in to the communities where they exist. </p>
<p>Part of the point, I think, is that given their appearances, brothels might be more pervasive than we notice. The banality of their exteriors is also at odds with other images we may associate with prostitution, which can challenge our perspectives and acknowledge that these places are less &#8220;other&#8221; and more a part of our every day communities.</p>
<p>I am also not convinced that this is supposed to be an exercise to get those who are already steeped in the study of sex workers or their lives. I think it might be intended to get those who don&#8217;t think about these issues regularly to consider them more carefully. Perhaps it is geared directly at those who are in the moral &#8220;uproar&#8221; about sex work as indicated in this quote at the top of the post:</p>
<p>&#8220;With all uproar focused on the morality of buying and selling sex, most people have little idea what much of the sex industry actually looks like. Or rather, the media repeatedly show the same images of women in short skirts and high boots leaning into car windows, giving the impression that street hooking is the dominant situation, which is far from the truth. And, of course, we are constantly shown horrifying images of the worst sites and victims of trafficking and exploitation…&#8221;  </p>
<p>In other words, I think Molly makes a sound point about the need to show more brothels from outside of Europe and the U.S.; but I think that these images help to show prostitution and sex work as a set of concerns that are relevant to any community and their problems are not those of the other, they are problems that should concern us all because these brothels are clearly integrated into &#8220;regular&#8221; communities (at least in the US and European context).</p>
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		<title>By: Fernando</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fernando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 14:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I&#039;m with Molly, I don&#039;t think the exterior appearance of a brothel means anything, or the interior appearance ofr that matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I&#8217;m with Molly, I don&#8217;t think the exterior appearance of a brothel means anything, or the interior appearance ofr that matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Molly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Molly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 05:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there a reason soc. images  (and Laura herself at her blog) chose to show only pictures of European or American brothels (with the exception of the old 19th century pic from Japan)? In the facebook album, there are few pictures of Asian brothels as well as non-European sex workers, though the European exterior shots seem to dominate there as well. Is the assumption here (interesting in and of itself) that westerners will find sex trafficking or sex work more palatable and acceptable if it&#039;s show as being &quot;European&quot;-ized? Thus, in an album attempting to show how sex work is (or should  be thought to be) normalized, are we intentionally being shown the Euro/American/first-world/unionized and/or legalized vision, as opposed to less salubrious but nonetheless equally real visions? I appreciate the effort to get people to think outside of the box, but it also seems a little bit like we&#039;re white-washing the box here, and that doesn&#039;t seem to help us think critically, no? 

Also, is the question that we should be focusing on here really that of the exterior? It seems to me that what a brothel looks like on the outside matters far less than what is going on on the inside and in the individual lives of the sex workers. Shouldn&#039;t our focus be not on the exterior presentation, but on whether or not we&#039;re looking at the homes of sex workers with agency and some measure of safety, or that of sexually trafficked people (mostly women) working against their will? How does looking at a building help us address either end of the spectrum, or those in between?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there a reason soc. images  (and Laura herself at her blog) chose to show only pictures of European or American brothels (with the exception of the old 19th century pic from Japan)? In the facebook album, there are few pictures of Asian brothels as well as non-European sex workers, though the European exterior shots seem to dominate there as well. Is the assumption here (interesting in and of itself) that westerners will find sex trafficking or sex work more palatable and acceptable if it&#8217;s show as being &#8220;European&#8221;-ized? Thus, in an album attempting to show how sex work is (or should  be thought to be) normalized, are we intentionally being shown the Euro/American/first-world/unionized and/or legalized vision, as opposed to less salubrious but nonetheless equally real visions? I appreciate the effort to get people to think outside of the box, but it also seems a little bit like we&#8217;re white-washing the box here, and that doesn&#8217;t seem to help us think critically, no? </p>
<p>Also, is the question that we should be focusing on here really that of the exterior? It seems to me that what a brothel looks like on the outside matters far less than what is going on on the inside and in the individual lives of the sex workers. Shouldn&#8217;t our focus be not on the exterior presentation, but on whether or not we&#8217;re looking at the homes of sex workers with agency and some measure of safety, or that of sexually trafficked people (mostly women) working against their will? How does looking at a building help us address either end of the spectrum, or those in between?</p>
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