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	<title>Comments on: What&#8217;s New About Reynold&#8217;s Wrap?</title>
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		<title>By: Sociological Images &#187; What We&#8217;ve Been Up To Behind Your Back (May 2009)</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/04/27/whats-new-about-reynolds-wrap/comment-page-1/#comment-42221</link>
		<dc:creator>Sociological Images &#187; What We&#8217;ve Been Up To Behind Your Back (May 2009)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 22:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] an email in response to our post on their new, recycled Reynold&#8217;s Wrap.  See her commentary here.  We&#8217;ve also added a link to a second source suggesting that our original post was wrong.  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] an email in response to our post on their new, recycled Reynold&#8217;s Wrap.  See her commentary here.  We&#8217;ve also added a link to a second source suggesting that our original post was wrong.  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ford MF</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/04/27/whats-new-about-reynolds-wrap/comment-page-1/#comment-32933</link>
		<dc:creator>Ford MF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 18:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if it&#039;s not new, I&#039;m not sure I see what&#039;s so underhanded about promoting a feature a product has always had, but has only recently come to be seen by consumers as adding value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if it&#8217;s not new, I&#8217;m not sure I see what&#8217;s so underhanded about promoting a feature a product has always had, but has only recently come to be seen by consumers as adding value.</p>
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		<title>By: Greenwashing and Eco-friendly Metals</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/04/27/whats-new-about-reynolds-wrap/comment-page-1/#comment-29910</link>
		<dc:creator>Greenwashing and Eco-friendly Metals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] next to your stove? In this blog from US News and World Report, writer Maura Judkis de-bunks the criticism made of Reynolds, specifically that it’s 100% recycled aluminum, 100% recycled paperboard packaging and 100% [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] next to your stove? In this blog from US News and World Report, writer Maura Judkis de-bunks the criticism made of Reynolds, specifically that it’s 100% recycled aluminum, 100% recycled paperboard packaging and 100% [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Village Idiot</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/04/27/whats-new-about-reynolds-wrap/comment-page-1/#comment-29690</link>
		<dc:creator>Village Idiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder what the heavy metal content of the eye-catching colors on the package is? 

Probably not very high in an absolute sense and definitely not as high as such pigments contained in the past, but slick and professional packaging is a bit toxic and a heavy metal content above 0.0000 when there&#039;s no reason for having any present at all (besides making a throwaway box prettier) is myopic to say the least. My sense of irony has often made me wonder what the toxicity level of most commercially used green pigments is.

anna: I think what people get mad about is that corporate &quot;green&quot; marketing is often just that; a marketing ploy and is otherwise a bunch of bullshit (the only type of shit that&#039;s truly 100% recycled). This kind of thing is patronizing to say the least and diverts attention away from the fact that it&#039;s the corporate structure itself that&#039;s the primary problem; &quot;profit before people and planet&quot; is not just a trite accusation of WTO protesters, it&#039;s the literal mandate of corporate charters although they phrase it a little more subtly. The only real job Reynolds Aluminum Co. has is to make their shareholders happy, and that&#039;s done by constantly growing, growing, growing. When unchecked growth happens inside of our body, it&#039;s called cancer. In business, it&#039;s called &#039;sound management,&#039; but here&#039;s really no such thing as a healthy, sustainable tumor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what the heavy metal content of the eye-catching colors on the package is? </p>
<p>Probably not very high in an absolute sense and definitely not as high as such pigments contained in the past, but slick and professional packaging is a bit toxic and a heavy metal content above 0.0000 when there&#8217;s no reason for having any present at all (besides making a throwaway box prettier) is myopic to say the least. My sense of irony has often made me wonder what the toxicity level of most commercially used green pigments is.</p>
<p>anna: I think what people get mad about is that corporate &#8220;green&#8221; marketing is often just that; a marketing ploy and is otherwise a bunch of bullshit (the only type of shit that&#8217;s truly 100% recycled). This kind of thing is patronizing to say the least and diverts attention away from the fact that it&#8217;s the corporate structure itself that&#8217;s the primary problem; &#8220;profit before people and planet&#8221; is not just a trite accusation of WTO protesters, it&#8217;s the literal mandate of corporate charters although they phrase it a little more subtly. The only real job Reynolds Aluminum Co. has is to make their shareholders happy, and that&#8217;s done by constantly growing, growing, growing. When unchecked growth happens inside of our body, it&#8217;s called cancer. In business, it&#8217;s called &#8216;sound management,&#8217; but here&#8217;s really no such thing as a healthy, sustainable tumor.</p>
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		<title>By: anna</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/04/27/whats-new-about-reynolds-wrap/comment-page-1/#comment-29685</link>
		<dc:creator>anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i find this to be sad only in the sense that liberal people complain and complain about products not being environmentally conscious and then as soon as a company decides to reveal it is environmentally conscious everyone gets mad at them for doing it in a way that&#039;s, like, too capitalist or something. who cares?!!!!! at least the shit&#039;s recycled, that&#039;s all i care about. sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i find this to be sad only in the sense that liberal people complain and complain about products not being environmentally conscious and then as soon as a company decides to reveal it is environmentally conscious everyone gets mad at them for doing it in a way that&#8217;s, like, too capitalist or something. who cares?!!!!! at least the shit&#8217;s recycled, that&#8217;s all i care about. sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: a westie</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/04/27/whats-new-about-reynolds-wrap/comment-page-1/#comment-29681</link>
		<dc:creator>a westie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally like the concentrated soaps and detergents.  Dr. Bronner did it much earlier, but it&#039;s good to see that companies were willing to take the risk to make their products look smaller and &quot;less valuable&quot; by putting them in smaller bottles.

Still, I can tell they did it because they wanted to save fuel, which was rising in cost at the time, IIRC.  It was a new change, so it&#039;s easier to justify than this campaign.  What would have been a really green change in my mind would be a shift to recipes that break down better in the drain so that it is easier to remove by water treatment plants and is safer for animals to come in contact with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally like the concentrated soaps and detergents.  Dr. Bronner did it much earlier, but it&#8217;s good to see that companies were willing to take the risk to make their products look smaller and &#8220;less valuable&#8221; by putting them in smaller bottles.</p>
<p>Still, I can tell they did it because they wanted to save fuel, which was rising in cost at the time, IIRC.  It was a new change, so it&#8217;s easier to justify than this campaign.  What would have been a really green change in my mind would be a shift to recipes that break down better in the drain so that it is easier to remove by water treatment plants and is safer for animals to come in contact with.</p>
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		<title>By: Grace</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/04/27/whats-new-about-reynolds-wrap/comment-page-1/#comment-29657</link>
		<dc:creator>Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you buy commodity Al on the market, you can&#039;t always tell if you got recycled Al or newly mined and separated Al.  You buy bars of Al.  If you buy it from a recycler, you can be certain that it was all recycled Al.  If you buy the cheapest Al (or a certain purity level) on the commodity market, you will receive a mixture that varies from shipment to shipment.  It looks from their website that they buy commodity Al and not raw bauxite.  

(Bauxite is a naturally-occurring mineral made up of Al and Silicon.  They can&#039;t purify away all the Si, which is why Al has trace amounts of Si.  They add a little Iron to the Al for puncture resistance.)

&quot;Aluminum for Reynolds Wrap® Aluminum Foil is placed into alloying furnaces at the continuous cast plant in Hot Springs, Arkansas and heated until molten.&quot;

The info sheet on the recycled wrap says, &quot;Food-safe foil made from a mix of pre and post consumer aluminum.&quot;

I stand by my original assertion.  They are essentially the same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you buy commodity Al on the market, you can&#8217;t always tell if you got recycled Al or newly mined and separated Al.  You buy bars of Al.  If you buy it from a recycler, you can be certain that it was all recycled Al.  If you buy the cheapest Al (or a certain purity level) on the commodity market, you will receive a mixture that varies from shipment to shipment.  It looks from their website that they buy commodity Al and not raw bauxite.  </p>
<p>(Bauxite is a naturally-occurring mineral made up of Al and Silicon.  They can&#8217;t purify away all the Si, which is why Al has trace amounts of Si.  They add a little Iron to the Al for puncture resistance.)</p>
<p>&#8220;Aluminum for Reynolds Wrap® Aluminum Foil is placed into alloying furnaces at the continuous cast plant in Hot Springs, Arkansas and heated until molten.&#8221;</p>
<p>The info sheet on the recycled wrap says, &#8220;Food-safe foil made from a mix of pre and post consumer aluminum.&#8221;</p>
<p>I stand by my original assertion.  They are essentially the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: al oof</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/04/27/whats-new-about-reynolds-wrap/comment-page-1/#comment-29553</link>
		<dc:creator>al oof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 03:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>from this link it looks like they have a recycled product and a not recycled product, and it&#039;s not just a repackaging.  doesn&#039;t mean we should buy it. maybe it would make more sense to support companies that were already using recycled aluminum and aren&#039;t the biggest foil company in the country.

http://www.reynoldspkg.com/reynoldskitchens/en/product_category.asp?cat_id=1337</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from this link it looks like they have a recycled product and a not recycled product, and it&#8217;s not just a repackaging.  doesn&#8217;t mean we should buy it. maybe it would make more sense to support companies that were already using recycled aluminum and aren&#8217;t the biggest foil company in the country.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.reynoldspkg.com/reynoldskitchens/en/product_category.asp?cat_id=1337" rel="nofollow">http://www.reynoldspkg.com/reynoldskitchens/en/product_category.asp?cat_id=1337</a></p>
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		<title>By: opminded</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/04/27/whats-new-about-reynolds-wrap/comment-page-1/#comment-29541</link>
		<dc:creator>opminded</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 01:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I support Reynolds for highlighting the recycled aspects of their product. We should support more companies that make it an important part of their brand awareness... Sheesh, there&#039;s no pleasing some people around here...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I support Reynolds for highlighting the recycled aspects of their product. We should support more companies that make it an important part of their brand awareness&#8230; Sheesh, there&#8217;s no pleasing some people around here&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/04/27/whats-new-about-reynolds-wrap/comment-page-1/#comment-29536</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 01:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I may be misunderstanding the website for (regular) Reynolds Wrap but it actively describes the product as:

&quot;...98.5% aluminum. The balance is primarily iron and silicon. These are added to give the strength and puncture resistance obtained only in the alloy used in Reynolds household foil. Reynolds Wrap® Aluminum Foil &lt;b&gt;contains no recycled material&lt;/b&gt; and complies with U.S. Food and Drug Administration requirements for direct contact with food.&quot;

Either they are trying to make it sound like their aluminum is not recycled by using the term &quot;material&quot; or their product is actually completely new aluminum and they are just joining the consumer based green movement and taking advantage of the consumer fad just like everyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I may be misunderstanding the website for (regular) Reynolds Wrap but it actively describes the product as:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;98.5% aluminum. The balance is primarily iron and silicon. These are added to give the strength and puncture resistance obtained only in the alloy used in Reynolds household foil. Reynolds Wrap® Aluminum Foil <b>contains no recycled material</b> and complies with U.S. Food and Drug Administration requirements for direct contact with food.&#8221;</p>
<p>Either they are trying to make it sound like their aluminum is not recycled by using the term &#8220;material&#8221; or their product is actually completely new aluminum and they are just joining the consumer based green movement and taking advantage of the consumer fad just like everyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Cycles</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/04/27/whats-new-about-reynolds-wrap/comment-page-1/#comment-29512</link>
		<dc:creator>Cycles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 23:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another favorite greenwashing example is the packaging that laundry detergent comes in. About a decade ago, the &quot;ultra&quot; (concentrated) version of detergents started showing up on the shelves. I remember the commercials saying this was more earth-friendly because the bottles were smaller. True, but it also cut down the cost of shipping the stuff across the country. A cost saving move happened to be better for the planet, so they took advantage.

And of course, a lot of people fill the measuring cap to the top without noticing that Line 1, for normal loads, is about one-third of a cap. Again, a genius marketing move: the company gets to sell 3x the product (never mind the wasted soap) and promote itself as a green innovator.

A more earth-friendly option, of course, would to be to sell detergent from a big permanent vat, where customers bring and fill their own refillable containers. They used to do this at Whole Foods and other natural foods co-ops. Unfortunately, bulk refilling means that you don&#039;t get to control the messaging on the take-home container, so it&#039;s unattractive to companies who depend heavily on advertising and marketing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another favorite greenwashing example is the packaging that laundry detergent comes in. About a decade ago, the &#8220;ultra&#8221; (concentrated) version of detergents started showing up on the shelves. I remember the commercials saying this was more earth-friendly because the bottles were smaller. True, but it also cut down the cost of shipping the stuff across the country. A cost saving move happened to be better for the planet, so they took advantage.</p>
<p>And of course, a lot of people fill the measuring cap to the top without noticing that Line 1, for normal loads, is about one-third of a cap. Again, a genius marketing move: the company gets to sell 3x the product (never mind the wasted soap) and promote itself as a green innovator.</p>
<p>A more earth-friendly option, of course, would to be to sell detergent from a big permanent vat, where customers bring and fill their own refillable containers. They used to do this at Whole Foods and other natural foods co-ops. Unfortunately, bulk refilling means that you don&#8217;t get to control the messaging on the take-home container, so it&#8217;s unattractive to companies who depend heavily on advertising and marketing.</p>
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		<title>By: a westie</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/04/27/whats-new-about-reynolds-wrap/comment-page-1/#comment-29496</link>
		<dc:creator>a westie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel like it&#039;s okay to better emphasize that it is a recycled product, and it is useful knowledge, as there are other materials that perform similar jobs (plastic wrap, baggies, etc).  Still, the intent is that this is out of the ordinary for the product, so that&#039;s a problem.

One thing that might be different from the regular product is if the package is recycled.  Still, I haven&#039;t checked.

Personally, I consider it to mean a lot more if a company sacrifices or even just risks profitability to be green.  Otherwise, the action is just business, and begs the question why it&#039;s so special, as if it&#039;s profitable, the competitors will do the same.  It does lobby that legislation is unnecessary, but not every green action is profitable enough for companies to pursue.

One example I liked was how Frito Lay set up a factory where they fry chips that uses natural gas and solar power to fry chips a few years ago.  The factory would cost more to run than a factory that used only fossil fuels, but they predicting rising oil costs would eventually make it cheaper to run.  This shows the company is forward thinking, and willing to take risks to help preserve resources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel like it&#8217;s okay to better emphasize that it is a recycled product, and it is useful knowledge, as there are other materials that perform similar jobs (plastic wrap, baggies, etc).  Still, the intent is that this is out of the ordinary for the product, so that&#8217;s a problem.</p>
<p>One thing that might be different from the regular product is if the package is recycled.  Still, I haven&#8217;t checked.</p>
<p>Personally, I consider it to mean a lot more if a company sacrifices or even just risks profitability to be green.  Otherwise, the action is just business, and begs the question why it&#8217;s so special, as if it&#8217;s profitable, the competitors will do the same.  It does lobby that legislation is unnecessary, but not every green action is profitable enough for companies to pursue.</p>
<p>One example I liked was how Frito Lay set up a factory where they fry chips that uses natural gas and solar power to fry chips a few years ago.  The factory would cost more to run than a factory that used only fossil fuels, but they predicting rising oil costs would eventually make it cheaper to run.  This shows the company is forward thinking, and willing to take risks to help preserve resources.</p>
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		<title>By: Agi</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/04/27/whats-new-about-reynolds-wrap/comment-page-1/#comment-29478</link>
		<dc:creator>Agi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet another example of how &quot;going green&quot; has been &lt;a href=&quot;http://agitprop.typepad.com/agitprop/2009/04/cooptation-.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;co-opted by the spectacle&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet another example of how &#8220;going green&#8221; has been <a href="http://agitprop.typepad.com/agitprop/2009/04/cooptation-.html" rel="nofollow">co-opted by the spectacle</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Cycles</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/04/27/whats-new-about-reynolds-wrap/comment-page-1/#comment-29452</link>
		<dc:creator>Cycles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my god, I knew it! I saw this stuff yesterday in Target and had the same thought - isn&#039;t all foil recycled anyway? Here&#039;s something interesting: they&#039;re still selling the &quot;regular&quot; kind of Reynolds Wrap right beside the &quot;green&quot; kind. And the &quot;green&quot; kind is about 50 cents more expensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my god, I knew it! I saw this stuff yesterday in Target and had the same thought &#8211; isn&#8217;t all foil recycled anyway? Here&#8217;s something interesting: they&#8217;re still selling the &#8220;regular&#8221; kind of Reynolds Wrap right beside the &#8220;green&#8221; kind. And the &#8220;green&#8221; kind is about 50 cents more expensive.</p>
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		<title>By: jfruh</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/04/27/whats-new-about-reynolds-wrap/comment-page-1/#comment-29448</link>
		<dc:creator>jfruh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While it&#039;s misleading for RR to imply that this is new (or that they&#039;re doing something their competitors aren&#039;t), do you think that environmentally friendly efforts should only be applauded when they are associated with extra costs?  Surely companies and individuals should be made aware of practices that save both money and the environment.  Would you object to a &quot;You might not have known it, but RR has been recycling aluminum for decades&quot; campaign?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it&#8217;s misleading for RR to imply that this is new (or that they&#8217;re doing something their competitors aren&#8217;t), do you think that environmentally friendly efforts should only be applauded when they are associated with extra costs?  Surely companies and individuals should be made aware of practices that save both money and the environment.  Would you object to a &#8220;You might not have known it, but RR has been recycling aluminum for decades&#8221; campaign?</p>
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