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		<title>By: Kishh</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/02/19/violent-metaphors/comment-page-1/#comment-530706</link>
		<dc:creator>Kishh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chinese culture doesn&#039;t really use rape as a metaphor. Murder, yeah. Rape is still extremely taboo in China, even in Hong Kong. Talking about made you look really dirty, whether or not you were involved as the rapist, victim or not at all. It made you look cheap.

Pride is a really big issue. It also explains why almost every single politician in China must have a mistress, and everyone knows, but they still get elected because it means you have charisma and attractiveness. You would be proud to have some woman falling for you despite the circumstances of never getting inheritance (though they&#039;d get it in the end anyway).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chinese culture doesn&#8217;t really use rape as a metaphor. Murder, yeah. Rape is still extremely taboo in China, even in Hong Kong. Talking about made you look really dirty, whether or not you were involved as the rapist, victim or not at all. It made you look cheap.</p>
<p>Pride is a really big issue. It also explains why almost every single politician in China must have a mistress, and everyone knows, but they still get elected because it means you have charisma and attractiveness. You would be proud to have some woman falling for you despite the circumstances of never getting inheritance (though they&#8217;d get it in the end anyway).</p>
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		<title>By: anyc</title>
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		<dc:creator>anyc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 05:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;reflects&quot;, rather - grr, typos!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;reflects&#8221;, rather &#8211; grr, typos!</p>
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		<title>By: anycanyc</title>
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		<dc:creator>anycanyc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 05:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking the opposite, that it reflect the general male-defined attitude that women enjoy rape, and is, therefore, easily trivialized and dismissed by use in situations so obviously not rape, but merely situations men found relatively *difficult*, or annoying. It may be simply years of being disappointed when giving unclear/layered messages the benefit of the doubt; but when we, as women (and the ones who suffer the most with trivialization of rape, battery, and sexual harrassment), aren&#039;t connected with a &quot;pro-woman/pro-, otherwise-marginalized part of the population message, it&#039;s rather easy to assume that those that *benefit* from the counter-stance won&#039;t see a positive message for women in it, either!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking the opposite, that it reflect the general male-defined attitude that women enjoy rape, and is, therefore, easily trivialized and dismissed by use in situations so obviously not rape, but merely situations men found relatively *difficult*, or annoying. It may be simply years of being disappointed when giving unclear/layered messages the benefit of the doubt; but when we, as women (and the ones who suffer the most with trivialization of rape, battery, and sexual harrassment), aren&#8217;t connected with a &#8220;pro-woman/pro-, otherwise-marginalized part of the population message, it&#8217;s rather easy to assume that those that *benefit* from the counter-stance won&#8217;t see a positive message for women in it, either!</p>
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		<title>By: Trivializing Rape &#171; A Real Pain in the Vagina: On Abuse and Society</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trivializing Rape &#171; A Real Pain in the Vagina: On Abuse and Society</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 03:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That makes more sense.  Thanks.</description>
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		<title>By: Rachel Fagen</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/02/19/violent-metaphors/comment-page-1/#comment-172154</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel Fagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to reply to an old thread, even for a new comment. Jeff, I wonder if SarahMC was thinking of the 2005 American Journal of Public Health study on injury-related causes of death for preganant women?

http://ajph.aphapublications.org/cgi/content/full/95/3/471

The study found homicide was a leading injury-related cause of death for pregnant and postpartum women. The study was only concerned with a single subsection of the mortality rate for a single subsection of the female population of the US. It is an awful statistic requiring attention and action. The statistic seemed to make the rounds as a misunderstood conflation of [pregnant &amp; postpartum women killed by injury] with [all women dying in the US].</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to reply to an old thread, even for a new comment. Jeff, I wonder if SarahMC was thinking of the 2005 American Journal of Public Health study on injury-related causes of death for preganant women?</p>
<p><a href="http://ajph.aphapublications.org/cgi/content/full/95/3/471" rel="nofollow">http://ajph.aphapublications.org/cgi/content/full/95/3/471</a></p>
<p>The study found homicide was a leading injury-related cause of death for pregnant and postpartum women. The study was only concerned with a single subsection of the mortality rate for a single subsection of the female population of the US. It is an awful statistic requiring attention and action. The statistic seemed to make the rounds as a misunderstood conflation of [pregnant &amp; postpartum women killed by injury] with [all women dying in the US].</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Kaufman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Kaufman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Murder by an intimate partner is among the 10 leading causes of death for women in the US&quot;

This is false.  The top 10 causes of death for women in the US are:

1. diseases of the heart
2. malignant neoplasms
3. cerebrovascular diseases
4. chronic lower resperatory diseases
5. alzheimers disease
6. accidents (unintentional injuries)
7. diabetes mellitus
8. influenza and pneumonia
9. nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis
10. septicemia

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr56/nvsr56_05.pdf , page 9

A total of 3,099 women were murdered in 2004 (by anyone, not just intimate partners).

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offenses_reported/violent_crime/murder.html

Out of 1,215,947 female deaths in 2004, one quarter of one percent were from murders.

Murder is quite rare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Murder by an intimate partner is among the 10 leading causes of death for women in the US&#8221;</p>
<p>This is false.  The top 10 causes of death for women in the US are:</p>
<p>1. diseases of the heart<br />
2. malignant neoplasms<br />
3. cerebrovascular diseases<br />
4. chronic lower resperatory diseases<br />
5. alzheimers disease<br />
6. accidents (unintentional injuries)<br />
7. diabetes mellitus<br />
8. influenza and pneumonia<br />
9. nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis<br />
10. septicemia</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr56/nvsr56_05.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr56/nvsr56_05.pdf</a> , page 9</p>
<p>A total of 3,099 women were murdered in 2004 (by anyone, not just intimate partners).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offenses_reported/violent_crime/murder.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offenses_reported/violent_crime/murder.html</a></p>
<p>Out of 1,215,947 female deaths in 2004, one quarter of one percent were from murders.</p>
<p>Murder is quite rare.</p>
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		<title>By: Politics and the Rape Metaphor &#187; Sociological Images</title>
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		<dc:creator>Politics and the Rape Metaphor &#187; Sociological Images</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] also our post on violent metaphors, including rape.        Leave a Comment     Tags: discourse/language, gender, gender: violence, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: sei</title>
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		<dc:creator>sei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Do other societies use words like rape and murder metaphorically?”

Yes, I live in Chile and here a lot of people say things like those on the comic, mostly young people. Nobody feels that it is disgusting or bad, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Do other societies use words like rape and murder metaphorically?”</p>
<p>Yes, I live in Chile and here a lot of people say things like those on the comic, mostly young people. Nobody feels that it is disgusting or bad, though.</p>
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		<title>By: wanderlust</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/02/19/violent-metaphors/comment-page-1/#comment-7566</link>
		<dc:creator>wanderlust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 09:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Do other societies use words like rape and murder metaphorically?&quot;  Definitely not in Greece.

 ...by way of anecdote...

When I was 19 I was pulled over and harassed by a cop in southern California.  He used his authority to intimidate and humiliate me and finally let me go as if it were all a fun game.  I proudly wrote a little short story about it, comparing the whole incident to a rape. (hey, don&#039;t judge I was 19 and thought everything I did was clever).  Anyway I spent that summer in Greece and translated this story for some friends who were also creative types.  Needless to say, they didn&#039;t find the metaphor appropriate and really were confused about the whole thing.  I remember the night well--trying to explain that no I was not actually raped by the cop but symbolically raped, that it was a metaphor, etc. to no avail.  Now I, for sure, don&#039;t think that Greeks are more compassionate toward rape victims than Americans.  It&#039;s just the way they use language.  In the same sense I don&#039;t think using &quot;rape&quot; to describe something that is not forced sex means that we have no concern for people who are raped.  Just like anything, it always depends on how it is used and who is using it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Do other societies use words like rape and murder metaphorically?&#8221;  Definitely not in Greece.</p>
<p> &#8230;by way of anecdote&#8230;</p>
<p>When I was 19 I was pulled over and harassed by a cop in southern California.  He used his authority to intimidate and humiliate me and finally let me go as if it were all a fun game.  I proudly wrote a little short story about it, comparing the whole incident to a rape. (hey, don&#8217;t judge I was 19 and thought everything I did was clever).  Anyway I spent that summer in Greece and translated this story for some friends who were also creative types.  Needless to say, they didn&#8217;t find the metaphor appropriate and really were confused about the whole thing.  I remember the night well&#8211;trying to explain that no I was not actually raped by the cop but symbolically raped, that it was a metaphor, etc. to no avail.  Now I, for sure, don&#8217;t think that Greeks are more compassionate toward rape victims than Americans.  It&#8217;s just the way they use language.  In the same sense I don&#8217;t think using &#8220;rape&#8221; to describe something that is not forced sex means that we have no concern for people who are raped.  Just like anything, it always depends on how it is used and who is using it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Words have many meanings rape is interesting because it means things not related. Some people call cigarettes fags, it&#039;s the way of the world.

rape
1   /reɪp/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [reyp] Show IPA Pronunciation
noun, verb, raped, rap⋅ing.
–noun
1. 	the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
2. 	any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.
3. 	statutory rape.
4. 	an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation: the rape of the countryside.
5. 	Archaic. the act of seizing and carrying off by force.
–verb (used with object)
6. 	to force to have sexual intercourse.
7. 	to plunder (a place); despoil.
8. 	to seize, take, or carry off by force.
–verb (used without object)
9. 	to commit rape.
Origin:
1250–1300; (v.) ME rapen &lt; AF raper &lt; L rapere to seize, carry off by force, plunder; (n.) ME &lt; AF ra(a)p(e), deriv. of raper

rape2
–noun
a plant, Brassica napus, of the mustard family, whose leaves are used for food for hogs, sheep, etc., and whose seeds yield rape oil.

rape3 
–noun
the residue of grapes, after the juice has been extracted, used as a filter in making vinegar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Words have many meanings rape is interesting because it means things not related. Some people call cigarettes fags, it&#8217;s the way of the world.</p>
<p>rape<br />
1   /reɪp/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [reyp] Show IPA Pronunciation<br />
noun, verb, raped, rap⋅ing.<br />
–noun<br />
1. 	the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.<br />
2. 	any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.<br />
3. 	statutory rape.<br />
4. 	an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation: the rape of the countryside.<br />
5. 	Archaic. the act of seizing and carrying off by force.<br />
–verb (used with object)<br />
6. 	to force to have sexual intercourse.<br />
7. 	to plunder (a place); despoil.<br />
8. 	to seize, take, or carry off by force.<br />
–verb (used without object)<br />
9. 	to commit rape.<br />
Origin:<br />
1250–1300; (v.) ME rapen &lt; AF raper &lt; L rapere to seize, carry off by force, plunder; (n.) ME &lt; AF ra(a)p(e), deriv. of raper</p>
<p>rape2<br />
–noun<br />
a plant, Brassica napus, of the mustard family, whose leaves are used for food for hogs, sheep, etc., and whose seeds yield rape oil.</p>
<p>rape3 <br />
–noun<br />
the residue of grapes, after the juice has been extracted, used as a filter in making vinegar.</p>
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		<title>By: Dubi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dubi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 00:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll stay away from the &quot;rape&quot; issue for fear of being scolded, and just talk about &quot;nazis&quot; - hey, I&#039;m a Jew, many of my grandparents&#039; siblings were murdered by the Germans, so I&#039;m allowed to talk about THAT.

So, no, using &quot;nazi&quot; in a joking manner doesn&#039;t bother me one bit. &quot;Soup nazi&quot; is funny, as you said, exactly because it is obviously an exaggeration. When does it get annoying? When people are serious. That&#039;s why the PETA thing was annoying, because they thought they were making a valid analogy. When people seriously say that &quot;this or that is EXACTLY LIKE WHAT THE NAZIS DID&quot; (surprising how often you hear that in Israel), it&#039;s infuriating, because, well, no, it&#039;s nothing like what the nazis did. But when they term &quot;nazi&quot; or &quot;holocaust&quot; is used for humour, in an intentional exaggeration, I have no problem with it. Though, it should be noted, the humour in such cases is usually at the speaker (either as self-humour, or, if the speaker is a character being portrayed as overly-dramatic, then at that character (e.g. &quot;soup nazi&quot;)). I can&#039;t really see how this can be done well with the word &quot;rape&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll stay away from the &#8220;rape&#8221; issue for fear of being scolded, and just talk about &#8220;nazis&#8221; &#8211; hey, I&#8217;m a Jew, many of my grandparents&#8217; siblings were murdered by the Germans, so I&#8217;m allowed to talk about THAT.</p>
<p>So, no, using &#8220;nazi&#8221; in a joking manner doesn&#8217;t bother me one bit. &#8220;Soup nazi&#8221; is funny, as you said, exactly because it is obviously an exaggeration. When does it get annoying? When people are serious. That&#8217;s why the PETA thing was annoying, because they thought they were making a valid analogy. When people seriously say that &#8220;this or that is EXACTLY LIKE WHAT THE NAZIS DID&#8221; (surprising how often you hear that in Israel), it&#8217;s infuriating, because, well, no, it&#8217;s nothing like what the nazis did. But when they term &#8220;nazi&#8221; or &#8220;holocaust&#8221; is used for humour, in an intentional exaggeration, I have no problem with it. Though, it should be noted, the humour in such cases is usually at the speaker (either as self-humour, or, if the speaker is a character being portrayed as overly-dramatic, then at that character (e.g. &#8220;soup nazi&#8221;)). I can&#8217;t really see how this can be done well with the word &#8220;rape&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: easyVegan.info &#187; Blog Archive &#187; easyVegan Link Sanctuary, 2009-02-21</title>
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		<dc:creator>easyVegan.info &#187; Blog Archive &#187; easyVegan Link Sanctuary, 2009-02-21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Agawa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Agawa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 02:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KK Slider, I don&#039;t think your assertion that &quot;...that slap-stick comedy is highly unbalanced in that there are far more instances of men being seriously injured for humor...&quot; is accurate at all.  I see and hear rape jokes, and domestic abuse jokes on tv, from comedians, and and in advertising every day.  

To see reactions to real domestic violence, read the comments on any news article about Chris Brown&#039;s arrest for assault, or any other news story on rape or violence against women.  They are usually full of comments wondering what the women did to provoke them, why they didn&#039;t leave, or blaming them for the fight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KK Slider, I don&#8217;t think your assertion that &#8220;&#8230;that slap-stick comedy is highly unbalanced in that there are far more instances of men being seriously injured for humor&#8230;&#8221; is accurate at all.  I see and hear rape jokes, and domestic abuse jokes on tv, from comedians, and and in advertising every day.  </p>
<p>To see reactions to real domestic violence, read the comments on any news article about Chris Brown&#8217;s arrest for assault, or any other news story on rape or violence against women.  They are usually full of comments wondering what the women did to provoke them, why they didn&#8217;t leave, or blaming them for the fight.</p>
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		<title>By: Blatherard Osmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blatherard Osmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 01:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think plenty of men would find the response of the stick figure dude quite funny. See, for example:

http://www.channel101.com/shows/view.php?media_id=130</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think plenty of men would find the response of the stick figure dude quite funny. See, for example:</p>
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