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		<title>By: Rose</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/02/12/saying-no-to-handouts/comment-page-1/#comment-133347</link>
		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim, you&#039;re right for asking the majority of people who are reasonable. If it was a person who made me feel threatened, though, because of how they present themselves or interactions I see them have with others (with an element of stereotyping - if you look like a really mean, badass gangbanger, I&#039;m gonna give you a wider berth), I&#039;d avoid asking them to move their bag. There are some people to whom asking them to move their bag is like an open invitation for a big confrontation.

And I say that as a petite woman who has a disability &amp; can&#039;t stand for long. If I were someone more likely to get picked on...forget it, I&#039;d rather stand.

If I was in that situation I would probably address a bunch of people more generally and explain my disability &amp; ask if anyone could help me sit down. With luck the person would move their bag without direct confrontation. If not, perhaps someone else would give me their seat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim, you&#8217;re right for asking the majority of people who are reasonable. If it was a person who made me feel threatened, though, because of how they present themselves or interactions I see them have with others (with an element of stereotyping &#8211; if you look like a really mean, badass gangbanger, I&#8217;m gonna give you a wider berth), I&#8217;d avoid asking them to move their bag. There are some people to whom asking them to move their bag is like an open invitation for a big confrontation.</p>
<p>And I say that as a petite woman who has a disability &amp; can&#8217;t stand for long. If I were someone more likely to get picked on&#8230;forget it, I&#8217;d rather stand.</p>
<p>If I was in that situation I would probably address a bunch of people more generally and explain my disability &amp; ask if anyone could help me sit down. With luck the person would move their bag without direct confrontation. If not, perhaps someone else would give me their seat.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 05:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She says that you will be responsible for chemical analysis of anything you leave there. That says to me it&#039;s not about not wanting charity, but that she is mentally ill and paranoid, and doesn&#039;t trust anything anyone else might give her.

And I see no reason why anyone would have a problem asking someone to move their bag off a seat on a bus/train if it was the only seat free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She says that you will be responsible for chemical analysis of anything you leave there. That says to me it&#8217;s not about not wanting charity, but that she is mentally ill and paranoid, and doesn&#8217;t trust anything anyone else might give her.</p>
<p>And I see no reason why anyone would have a problem asking someone to move their bag off a seat on a bus/train if it was the only seat free.</p>
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		<title>By: WhatHaveDrew</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/02/12/saying-no-to-handouts/comment-page-1/#comment-7141</link>
		<dc:creator>WhatHaveDrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recall: In Toronto in the fall we have this all night art party called Nuit Blanche where people set up installations throughout several downtown regions of the city.

One such installation was a drop ceiling put in over the length if the alley running beside a concert hall.  There was also assorted office detritus strewn about.

Here&#039;s a link describing it: http://vagueterrain.net/content/2008/10/nuit-blanche-recommendations-zone

Note the language in this writeup: &quot;GL will construct a 40 metre long drop ceiling in the alley of St. Enoch’s Square beside Massey Hall, framing the dumpsters, recycling bins and other life of the alleyway&quot;

Other life indeed, for this installation was built, quite unintentionally I&#039;m sure, around a stairwell under which a homeless fellow had constructed himself a makeshift shelter and sleeping area.  Imagine having hundreds of interested art-seekers strolling through your bedroom in the dead of night!  

I certainly felt akward stumbling through this man&#039;s public-domain abode, so &quot;framed&quot; by this piece of art. Are the homeless then no longer individuals, no longer people? Are they to be reduced to some form of intellectual construct?  To be framed, as architecture or litter, as simply part of the landscape, to be studied as object?

In any event, I just thought that ties in, on the note of boundaries and what have you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall: In Toronto in the fall we have this all night art party called Nuit Blanche where people set up installations throughout several downtown regions of the city.</p>
<p>One such installation was a drop ceiling put in over the length if the alley running beside a concert hall.  There was also assorted office detritus strewn about.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a link describing it: <a href="http://vagueterrain.net/content/2008/10/nuit-blanche-recommendations-zone" rel="nofollow">http://vagueterrain.net/content/2008/10/nuit-blanche-recommendations-zone</a></p>
<p>Note the language in this writeup: &#8220;GL will construct a 40 metre long drop ceiling in the alley of St. Enoch’s Square beside Massey Hall, framing the dumpsters, recycling bins and other life of the alleyway&#8221;</p>
<p>Other life indeed, for this installation was built, quite unintentionally I&#8217;m sure, around a stairwell under which a homeless fellow had constructed himself a makeshift shelter and sleeping area.  Imagine having hundreds of interested art-seekers strolling through your bedroom in the dead of night!  </p>
<p>I certainly felt akward stumbling through this man&#8217;s public-domain abode, so &#8220;framed&#8221; by this piece of art. Are the homeless then no longer individuals, no longer people? Are they to be reduced to some form of intellectual construct?  To be framed, as architecture or litter, as simply part of the landscape, to be studied as object?</p>
<p>In any event, I just thought that ties in, on the note of boundaries and what have you.</p>
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		<title>By: Sabriel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sabriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, businessmen cordon off unreasonable amounts of space on public transportation all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, businessmen cordon off unreasonable amounts of space on public transportation all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just today I saw a businessman on a reasonably crowded bus, with his arm draped over his bag next to him so he took up the two-person seat.  Another man came up and waited expectantly for him to move his bag (and from what I&#039;ve seen in the past usually that&#039;s enough to remove the bag.  Instead the seated man ignored the guy standing expectantly and avoiding his eyes, and the other guy just kind of shrugged and ignored it.

So I think our fear of confrontation is greater than our desire to sit down on public transport.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just today I saw a businessman on a reasonably crowded bus, with his arm draped over his bag next to him so he took up the two-person seat.  Another man came up and waited expectantly for him to move his bag (and from what I&#8217;ve seen in the past usually that&#8217;s enough to remove the bag.  Instead the seated man ignored the guy standing expectantly and avoiding his eyes, and the other guy just kind of shrugged and ignored it.</p>
<p>So I think our fear of confrontation is greater than our desire to sit down on public transport.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcello</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the other hand there&#039;s the issue that the woman actually cordoned off a section of the seats on a public transportation vehicle. To what extent her &quot;condition&quot; allows her to set personal boundaries that would have been considered unacceptable if set by a non-homeless person? Imagine the stereotypical business-suited person doing the same, how would other passenger react?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the other hand there&#8217;s the issue that the woman actually cordoned off a section of the seats on a public transportation vehicle. To what extent her &#8220;condition&#8221; allows her to set personal boundaries that would have been considered unacceptable if set by a non-homeless person? Imagine the stereotypical business-suited person doing the same, how would other passenger react?</p>
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		<title>By: Kristina B</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/02/12/saying-no-to-handouts/comment-page-1/#comment-7107</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristina B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 03:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I echo the thanks for posting this.  It&#039;s particularly timely for me, because just yesterday my husband and I volunteered at our local homeless shelter serving food.  Going there is a continual reminder that &quot;homeless&quot; does not equal &quot;starving&quot; or even &quot;completely destitute.&quot;  The guys (it&#039;s an all male shelter) that come to the shelter in Austin are almost all particular about which foods go onto their plates and how much of each food, reminding us of what it&#039;s easy to forget: beggars most certainly CAN be choosers.  There is no reason why they shouldn&#039;t be.  What about homelessness makes people less deserving of having preferences and opinions?  Nothing, in my book.  

But there is a definite message in our culture that places blame on the shoulders of the homeless and leads to non-homeless people feeling indignant when homeless folks express their humanity in any way other than submissively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I echo the thanks for posting this.  It&#8217;s particularly timely for me, because just yesterday my husband and I volunteered at our local homeless shelter serving food.  Going there is a continual reminder that &#8220;homeless&#8221; does not equal &#8220;starving&#8221; or even &#8220;completely destitute.&#8221;  The guys (it&#8217;s an all male shelter) that come to the shelter in Austin are almost all particular about which foods go onto their plates and how much of each food, reminding us of what it&#8217;s easy to forget: beggars most certainly CAN be choosers.  There is no reason why they shouldn&#8217;t be.  What about homelessness makes people less deserving of having preferences and opinions?  Nothing, in my book.  </p>
<p>But there is a definite message in our culture that places blame on the shoulders of the homeless and leads to non-homeless people feeling indignant when homeless folks express their humanity in any way other than submissively.</p>
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		<title>By: Sabriel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sabriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for posting this. The part that struck me the most was when she said, &quot;When a person says &#039;NO&#039; it really means NO. If you leave anything here without my prior knowledge, consent, and arrangement...&quot; 

The ability for a person to say &quot;no&quot; and have their voice be respected is one thing that separates humans from animals in this society. We recognize each other&#039;s autonomy and humanity when we allow each other to say &quot;no.&quot; I&#039;m sure  that people think they&#039;re helping when they try to push stuff on her, but when they ignore what she is saying, they&#039;re reducing her humanity. 

It is very sad. I will keep this in mind when I think about social service in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for posting this. The part that struck me the most was when she said, &#8220;When a person says &#8216;NO&#8217; it really means NO. If you leave anything here without my prior knowledge, consent, and arrangement&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>The ability for a person to say &#8220;no&#8221; and have their voice be respected is one thing that separates humans from animals in this society. We recognize each other&#8217;s autonomy and humanity when we allow each other to say &#8220;no.&#8221; I&#8217;m sure  that people think they&#8217;re helping when they try to push stuff on her, but when they ignore what she is saying, they&#8217;re reducing her humanity. </p>
<p>It is very sad. I will keep this in mind when I think about social service in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: dr.funke</title>
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		<dc:creator>dr.funke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether mental health problems precede homelessness or are the result of the physical, emotional and social stress of not having a home probably varies from case to case. It would be naive to assume all homeless people have mental health problems, however part of this woman&#039;s note seems to communicate a paranoia or maladjusted concern about other people&#039;s belongings the suggests a more complicated reason for needing boundaries than other people invading her personal space (e.g., the belongings are distasteful and actually distress her).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether mental health problems precede homelessness or are the result of the physical, emotional and social stress of not having a home probably varies from case to case. It would be naive to assume all homeless people have mental health problems, however part of this woman&#8217;s note seems to communicate a paranoia or maladjusted concern about other people&#8217;s belongings the suggests a more complicated reason for needing boundaries than other people invading her personal space (e.g., the belongings are distasteful and actually distress her).</p>
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		<title>By: Lost Left Coaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lost Left Coaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad you posted it here, so this topic could be discussed with more maturity than it received at its original posting.  I read some of the comments at the other blog, and I saw that most of the people posting comments thought it would be appropriate and witty to make derogatory comments and ridicule the woman in the photos.  I&#039;m not so fond of the fact that the individual took the photos in the first place with only the intention of posting them on his/her own blog in order to make a joke out of it. 

I am very sympathetic. I can see that two of the most absolutely frustrating aspects of being homeless (in a social sense) would be 1) that people continuously make prejudicial assumptions, such as, this person is homeless, therefore must be on drugs/crazy, this person is going to want the free stuff I give her, etc., and 2) the inability to establish boundaries and personal space.  I mean, this is both a personal issue and a safety issue too; homeless people are often unable to protect themselves from theft, sexual assault, even random violence by sadistic people, and often they aren&#039;t treated well by local law enforcement either (and often find themselves displaced by said law enforcement too).  

So, while we don&#039;t know much about this woman&#039;s story, I think we can see that she is trying to establish firm boundaries and maintain them.  That is something we should all be able to respect, unless we cannot recognize how important boundaries are in our own lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you posted it here, so this topic could be discussed with more maturity than it received at its original posting.  I read some of the comments at the other blog, and I saw that most of the people posting comments thought it would be appropriate and witty to make derogatory comments and ridicule the woman in the photos.  I&#8217;m not so fond of the fact that the individual took the photos in the first place with only the intention of posting them on his/her own blog in order to make a joke out of it. </p>
<p>I am very sympathetic. I can see that two of the most absolutely frustrating aspects of being homeless (in a social sense) would be 1) that people continuously make prejudicial assumptions, such as, this person is homeless, therefore must be on drugs/crazy, this person is going to want the free stuff I give her, etc., and 2) the inability to establish boundaries and personal space.  I mean, this is both a personal issue and a safety issue too; homeless people are often unable to protect themselves from theft, sexual assault, even random violence by sadistic people, and often they aren&#8217;t treated well by local law enforcement either (and often find themselves displaced by said law enforcement too).  </p>
<p>So, while we don&#8217;t know much about this woman&#8217;s story, I think we can see that she is trying to establish firm boundaries and maintain them.  That is something we should all be able to respect, unless we cannot recognize how important boundaries are in our own lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Elisabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elisabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Working at several donation NPs frequently reminds me of that Seinfeld episode. Once I sorted a bag of t-shirts that contained a ziplock bag of McDonald&#039;s ketchup packets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Working at several donation NPs frequently reminds me of that Seinfeld episode. Once I sorted a bag of t-shirts that contained a ziplock bag of McDonald&#8217;s ketchup packets.</p>
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