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	<title>Comments on: Threatening Women with Unattractiveness for a Good Cause</title>
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		<title>By: Michael Paul Goldenberg</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/01/31/threatening-women-with-unattractiveness/comment-page-1/#comment-545749</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Paul Goldenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 18:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. How low! Trying to target women over something that might be bad for their health by appealing to their vanity. Why, next they&#039;ll be telling male drinkers that alcohol consumption makes their penises smaller and less able to, ahem, perform. And that would be grounded in Western male cultural stereotypes (regardless of sexual orientation). We can&#039;t have that. 

Seems to me there are a lot more insidious instances of the sorts of things getting folks bent out of shape (no pun intended) here to worry and complain about. A LOT more. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. How low! Trying to target women over something that might be bad for their health by appealing to their vanity. Why, next they&#8217;ll be telling male drinkers that alcohol consumption makes their penises smaller and less able to, ahem, perform. And that would be grounded in Western male cultural stereotypes (regardless of sexual orientation). We can&#8217;t have that. </p>
<p>Seems to me there are a lot more insidious instances of the sorts of things getting folks bent out of shape (no pun intended) here to worry and complain about. A LOT more. </p>
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		<title>By: creatureofculture</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/01/31/threatening-women-with-unattractiveness/comment-page-1/#comment-420965</link>
		<dc:creator>creatureofculture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 03:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point.  Its insulting that they list cancer along side baldness, wrinkles, and other arbitrary conditions.  At least they could have said &quot;alcohol makes you less attractive, and it can also lead to life threatening cancer&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point.  Its insulting that they list cancer along side baldness, wrinkles, and other arbitrary conditions.  At least they could have said &#8220;alcohol makes you less attractive, and it can also lead to life threatening cancer&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: creatureofculture</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/01/31/threatening-women-with-unattractiveness/comment-page-1/#comment-420963</link>
		<dc:creator>creatureofculture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 03:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This ad is clearly a message from a group of moral crusaders who are waging a campaign against alcohol consumption.  What exactly motivates the author is unclear:  

Does our culture drink to much?  
Are women at risk by emulating men&#039;s drinking behavior? (concern for the lives of women)
Is femininity at risk from alcohol use? (concern for the cultural notion of gender)
Is alcohol itself morally wrong? Is this ad rooted in a religious belief in the evil alcohol?

Who knows what ideological imperative motivates this cautionary message.  Regardless, I see this image and think about masculine culture.  As a male, the ways I participated in heavy drinking culture, were implicit to my identity.  In general, the larger the volume of alcohol consumed, and the more intense the taste or alcohol percentage consumed, the more masculine it is.  Conversely, a more benign beverage such as Mikes Hard Lemonade, merits the label of &quot;bitch&quot; or &quot;pussy&quot; among males.  To sum it up, this ad raises the issue of how heavy drinking is an important part of masculine culture in our society.

That said, its baffling that they say wine doesn&#039;t just come with cheese.  Typically, i would not associate excessive or binge drinking with a wine and cheese party.  The target audience of the ad, i think, are adolescents and young adults who attend keggers and house parties where they play flip cup and beer pong.  I cant imagine their notion of drinking is one of sophisticated pallets sipping wine and eating Gouda cheese.  Damn, I&#039;m disappointed because the ads implicit commentary on the gendered politics of alcohol consumption is dampened by the annoyance of that statement: wine and cheese? really? be consistent people!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This ad is clearly a message from a group of moral crusaders who are waging a campaign against alcohol consumption.  What exactly motivates the author is unclear:  </p>
<p>Does our culture drink to much?<br />
Are women at risk by emulating men&#8217;s drinking behavior? (concern for the lives of women)<br />
Is femininity at risk from alcohol use? (concern for the cultural notion of gender)<br />
Is alcohol itself morally wrong? Is this ad rooted in a religious belief in the evil alcohol?</p>
<p>Who knows what ideological imperative motivates this cautionary message.  Regardless, I see this image and think about masculine culture.  As a male, the ways I participated in heavy drinking culture, were implicit to my identity.  In general, the larger the volume of alcohol consumed, and the more intense the taste or alcohol percentage consumed, the more masculine it is.  Conversely, a more benign beverage such as Mikes Hard Lemonade, merits the label of &#8220;bitch&#8221; or &#8220;pussy&#8221; among males.  To sum it up, this ad raises the issue of how heavy drinking is an important part of masculine culture in our society.</p>
<p>That said, its baffling that they say wine doesn&#8217;t just come with cheese.  Typically, i would not associate excessive or binge drinking with a wine and cheese party.  The target audience of the ad, i think, are adolescents and young adults who attend keggers and house parties where they play flip cup and beer pong.  I cant imagine their notion of drinking is one of sophisticated pallets sipping wine and eating Gouda cheese.  Damn, I&#8217;m disappointed because the ads implicit commentary on the gendered politics of alcohol consumption is dampened by the annoyance of that statement: wine and cheese? really? be consistent people!</p>
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		<title>By: pacience</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/01/31/threatening-women-with-unattractiveness/comment-page-1/#comment-262421</link>
		<dc:creator>pacience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 17:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i guess lol funny</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i guess lol funny</p>
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		<title>By: The Official A Gender Agenda Blog &#187; Health Advertisment Relies on Transphobia</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/01/31/threatening-women-with-unattractiveness/comment-page-1/#comment-123467</link>
		<dc:creator>The Official A Gender Agenda Blog &#187; Health Advertisment Relies on Transphobia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 06:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was pointed out at the Sociological Images blog: The ad is relying on the viewer being disgusted at the idea of a masculine face covered in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: canonball</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/01/31/threatening-women-with-unattractiveness/comment-page-1/#comment-111750</link>
		<dc:creator>canonball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thirding the transphobic rhetoric</description>
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		<title>By: Coopers Premium Light Beer: Less Beer-Goggle Danger &#187; Sociological Images</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/01/31/threatening-women-with-unattractiveness/comment-page-1/#comment-111470</link>
		<dc:creator>Coopers Premium Light Beer: Less Beer-Goggle Danger &#187; Sociological Images</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this one about dealing with your girlfriend asking &#8220;does my butt look big?&#8221; And this anti-drinking PSAs tell women if they drink too much they&#8217;ll look like men.        Leave a Comment     Tags: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this one about dealing with your girlfriend asking &#8220;does my butt look big?&#8221; And this anti-drinking PSAs tell women if they drink too much they&#8217;ll look like men.        Leave a Comment     Tags: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Clara</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/01/31/threatening-women-with-unattractiveness/comment-page-1/#comment-101957</link>
		<dc:creator>Clara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t quite agree that the second ad fits the theme of the first.  I know many people who sympathize and agree with the second ad - they don&#039;t like smokers, smelling or kissing them - and an ad like that is very real to them.  To me, that is a viable ad, not one I really like, but it does work.

However, the first ad I agree with Heather - I think this just promotes fear of trans-gender people.  People who are women and WANT to look like a man, and this is just saying it is a horrible thing!  The whole aspect of the ad that wine makes you look ugly is just ridiculous.  If they want a valid ad, show what wine REALLY does to you.  There are people who staunchly believe in one glass a day improves your health - why don&#039;t they tackle that instead?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t quite agree that the second ad fits the theme of the first.  I know many people who sympathize and agree with the second ad &#8211; they don&#8217;t like smokers, smelling or kissing them &#8211; and an ad like that is very real to them.  To me, that is a viable ad, not one I really like, but it does work.</p>
<p>However, the first ad I agree with Heather &#8211; I think this just promotes fear of trans-gender people.  People who are women and WANT to look like a man, and this is just saying it is a horrible thing!  The whole aspect of the ad that wine makes you look ugly is just ridiculous.  If they want a valid ad, show what wine REALLY does to you.  There are people who staunchly believe in one glass a day improves your health &#8211; why don&#8217;t they tackle that instead?</p>
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		<title>By: Sociological Images &#187; What We’ve Been Up To Behind Your Back (June 2009)</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/01/31/threatening-women-with-unattractiveness/comment-page-1/#comment-70643</link>
		<dc:creator>Sociological Images &#187; What We’ve Been Up To Behind Your Back (June 2009)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] We also added an anti-smoking advertisement threatening women with unattractiveness to a similar anti-drinking advertisement. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Teal Cuttlefish</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/01/31/threatening-women-with-unattractiveness/comment-page-1/#comment-7562</link>
		<dc:creator>Teal Cuttlefish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 08:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have lost one breast to breast cancer, and elected not to reconstruct. I have also just had a hysterectomy. Neither has made me uglier, less attractive, or less desirable to those I love, and the implications of such an ad are highly insulting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have lost one breast to breast cancer, and elected not to reconstruct. I have also just had a hysterectomy. Neither has made me uglier, less attractive, or less desirable to those I love, and the implications of such an ad are highly insulting.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/01/31/threatening-women-with-unattractiveness/comment-page-1/#comment-6813</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 07:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God forbid, somebody challenges the gender binary! gender-queer and trans-gender people shouldn&#039;t be used as a proxy for &quot;unattractive.&quot; They probably look better than the heteronormative assholes who made this ad anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God forbid, somebody challenges the gender binary! gender-queer and trans-gender people shouldn&#8217;t be used as a proxy for &#8220;unattractive.&#8221; They probably look better than the heteronormative assholes who made this ad anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: hypatia</title>
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		<dc:creator>hypatia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 05:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well as far as a masculinizing effect I know my own mother had her &quot;I&#039;m not a women anymore!&quot; freak out the first time she thought she was going through menopause.

And unfortunately there is a large cultural pressure that breasts=woman.  Then of course many breast cancer charities capitalize on this pressure a la &quot;Save the Ta tas&quot; or &quot;Save Second Base&quot; campaigns.  &#039;Cause it&#039;s not enough to save the woman, just the anatomy that men care about.  Yeah, bitter breast cancer finance raiser here. But the emotional wreckage thrown on women who must undergo a mastectomy is immense. 

Of course these both these points make me hate this ad more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well as far as a masculinizing effect I know my own mother had her &#8220;I&#8217;m not a women anymore!&#8221; freak out the first time she thought she was going through menopause.</p>
<p>And unfortunately there is a large cultural pressure that breasts=woman.  Then of course many breast cancer charities capitalize on this pressure a la &#8220;Save the Ta tas&#8221; or &#8220;Save Second Base&#8221; campaigns.  &#8216;Cause it&#8217;s not enough to save the woman, just the anatomy that men care about.  Yeah, bitter breast cancer finance raiser here. But the emotional wreckage thrown on women who must undergo a mastectomy is immense. </p>
<p>Of course these both these points make me hate this ad more.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/01/31/threatening-women-with-unattractiveness/comment-page-1/#comment-6747</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 13:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, just to clarify:

As a rule ,men need to drink more than women to have the same effects, ( beneficial or otherwise). This is why women shouldnt drink as much as men, because what for men might be ok, woulc come with serious consequences for women!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, just to clarify:</p>
<p>As a rule ,men need to drink more than women to have the same effects, ( beneficial or otherwise). This is why women shouldnt drink as much as men, because what for men might be ok, woulc come with serious consequences for women!</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/01/31/threatening-women-with-unattractiveness/comment-page-1/#comment-6653</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 06:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t men also risk adverse affects from drinking too much?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t men also risk adverse affects from drinking too much?</p>
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		<title>By: missdk</title>
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		<dc:creator>missdk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;drink like a man&quot; part gets me the most. How many times have I heard that it&#039;s unladylike to drink like my male peers in the media through ads and articles giving their &quot;advice&quot; as rates of female drinking, esp binging, go on the rise? What they&#039;re really doing is separating me as something different, not teaching moderation. And the moderation they so often preach is to &quot;protect us&quot; from molestation or sluttish reputations, asking the victim to change rather than speak out against the perpetrators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;drink like a man&#8221; part gets me the most. How many times have I heard that it&#8217;s unladylike to drink like my male peers in the media through ads and articles giving their &#8220;advice&#8221; as rates of female drinking, esp binging, go on the rise? What they&#8217;re really doing is separating me as something different, not teaching moderation. And the moderation they so often preach is to &#8220;protect us&#8221; from molestation or sluttish reputations, asking the victim to change rather than speak out against the perpetrators.</p>
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