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	<title>Comments on: Vintage Ad for &#8220;Chubby&#8221; Fashions</title>
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		<title>By: Pretty Plus &#171; wholly robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pretty Plus &#171; wholly robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 04:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;Pretty Plus.&#8221; (Not really sure the proper way to give credit, but I found it here: http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/01/30/vintage-ad-for-chubby-fashions/).  I had forgotten this particular phrase until college when a friend reminded me of it as we [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;Pretty Plus.&#8221; (Not really sure the proper way to give credit, but I found it here: <a href="http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/01/30/vintage-ad-for-chubby-fashions/" rel="nofollow">http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/01/30/vintage-ad-for-chubby-fashions/</a>).  I had forgotten this particular phrase until college when a friend reminded me of it as we [...]</p>
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		<title>By: rhonda</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/01/30/vintage-ad-for-chubby-fashions/comment-page-1/#comment-277478</link>
		<dc:creator>rhonda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 15:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>those are some cute and pretty clothes to wear i like stuff like that it is stylelish to i want to make 
clothes and be a fashion desingner
to. it is so fun to make
up your own 
clothes desingner
i like to wear pretty clothes because i am a  artest and
i like to do pretty
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>those are some cute and pretty clothes to wear i like stuff like that it is stylelish to i want to make<br />
clothes and be a fashion desingner<br />
to. it is so fun to make<br />
up your own<br />
clothes desingner<br />
i like to wear pretty clothes because i am a  artest and<br />
i like to do pretty<br />
things.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillian C. York</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/01/30/vintage-ad-for-chubby-fashions/comment-page-1/#comment-107666</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillian C. York</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 19:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Only in this country is obesity a problem in poverty.&quot;

HA, no.  Wrong.  Philippines, Korea, Netherlands, Switzerland, Italy, Austria, Germany, Norway, Canada, Brazil, the UK.  Even Japan, to some extent.

American portions are huge yes, and we may to be blame for influencing the portions and food choices for other countries, but we by no means are the only obese country, even in poverty.

As for your comments about &quot;heavy&quot; people, you&#039;re just wrong.  There are loads of people in the moderately overweight (let&#039;s argue women&#039;s size 10-16, though I don&#039;t even find most size 10s to be &quot;fat&quot;) category who eat right and are in shape.  At those sizes, it often relates more to genetics and body type than to lifestyle.  At larger sizes, well...it&#039;s almost always based on lifestyle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Only in this country is obesity a problem in poverty.&#8221;</p>
<p>HA, no.  Wrong.  Philippines, Korea, Netherlands, Switzerland, Italy, Austria, Germany, Norway, Canada, Brazil, the UK.  Even Japan, to some extent.</p>
<p>American portions are huge yes, and we may to be blame for influencing the portions and food choices for other countries, but we by no means are the only obese country, even in poverty.</p>
<p>As for your comments about &#8220;heavy&#8221; people, you&#8217;re just wrong.  There are loads of people in the moderately overweight (let&#8217;s argue women&#8217;s size 10-16, though I don&#8217;t even find most size 10s to be &#8220;fat&#8221;) category who eat right and are in shape.  At those sizes, it often relates more to genetics and body type than to lifestyle.  At larger sizes, well&#8230;it&#8217;s almost always based on lifestyle.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillian C. York</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/01/30/vintage-ad-for-chubby-fashions/comment-page-1/#comment-107663</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillian C. York</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 19:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s one thing to say that many people walking around today will never reach “media leanness” by any humane method, and another thing entirely to say that people cannot shed any excess bodyfat whatsoever.&quot;

PRECISELY.  I&#039;m a solid size 12, and if I work out rigorously, that becomes a 10.  I am built that way.  I cannot be smaller without starving myself.  I will never achieve &quot;media leanness.&quot;  Maybe Tracy Harper won&#039;t either, but she&#039;s not fat.  Neither am I.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s one thing to say that many people walking around today will never reach “media leanness” by any humane method, and another thing entirely to say that people cannot shed any excess bodyfat whatsoever.&#8221;</p>
<p>PRECISELY.  I&#8217;m a solid size 12, and if I work out rigorously, that becomes a 10.  I am built that way.  I cannot be smaller without starving myself.  I will never achieve &#8220;media leanness.&#8221;  Maybe Tracy Harper won&#8217;t either, but she&#8217;s not fat.  Neither am I.</p>
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		<title>By: P</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/01/30/vintage-ad-for-chubby-fashions/comment-page-1/#comment-107661</link>
		<dc:creator>P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 19:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crys, what do you mean by &quot;fat?&quot; Do you mean that you can&#039;t see your abs, or you can&#039;t for the life of you get under 50% bodyfat? It&#039;s one thing to say that many people walking around today will never reach &quot;media leanness&quot; by any humane method, and another thing entirely to say that people cannot shed any excess bodyfat whatsoever. Where on that continuum does your argument stand?

Also, if you forgive the snark, how could someone with such amazing nutritional knowledge and exercise experience not know that steady-state aerobic activity, starvation, and low-fat (presumably high-carb) diets are some of the worst tools for healthy long-term fat loss?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crys, what do you mean by &#8220;fat?&#8221; Do you mean that you can&#8217;t see your abs, or you can&#8217;t for the life of you get under 50% bodyfat? It&#8217;s one thing to say that many people walking around today will never reach &#8220;media leanness&#8221; by any humane method, and another thing entirely to say that people cannot shed any excess bodyfat whatsoever. Where on that continuum does your argument stand?</p>
<p>Also, if you forgive the snark, how could someone with such amazing nutritional knowledge and exercise experience not know that steady-state aerobic activity, starvation, and low-fat (presumably high-carb) diets are some of the worst tools for healthy long-term fat loss?</p>
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		<title>By: Jillian C. York</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/01/30/vintage-ad-for-chubby-fashions/comment-page-1/#comment-107650</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillian C. York</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 18:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crys,

Have you considered for a second that you&#039;re the exception?  I don&#039;t agree with the nasty comments from other users, but I&#039;m guessing that, given your history and experience, you probably would&#039;ve been &quot;fat&quot; (your word, not mine) had you lived 50 years ago, too...whereas most obese people probably wouldn&#039;t have...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crys,</p>
<p>Have you considered for a second that you&#8217;re the exception?  I don&#8217;t agree with the nasty comments from other users, but I&#8217;m guessing that, given your history and experience, you probably would&#8217;ve been &#8220;fat&#8221; (your word, not mine) had you lived 50 years ago, too&#8230;whereas most obese people probably wouldn&#8217;t have&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Crys T</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/01/30/vintage-ad-for-chubby-fashions/comment-page-1/#comment-107648</link>
		<dc:creator>Crys T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 18:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Only in this country is obesity a problem in poverty.&quot;

What a load of rubbish.  Try looking outside of your borders and you&#039;ll see that obesity in poverty is rife across many cultures and nations.  It has more to do with the fact that it&#039;s MORE AFFORDABLE and MORE FEASIBLE DUE TO TIME CONSTRAINTS to live on chips and curry sauce than healthy food.

Mordacai, Lisa and anyone else who smugly assumes they know what&#039;s going on, I have news for you:  for many people this is a social problem, not a &quot;willpower/addiction&quot; or &quot;laziness&quot; problem.  And the only way it is going to be fixed is if we radically change our ideas about distribution of wealth.  Deal with it.

Also, as Lisa noted, there are many, many fat people who eat healthy food, in no greater quantities than &quot;thin&quot; or &quot;normal weight&quot; people, exercise a reasonable amount and, guess what?, STILL STAY FAT. You can scream and cry about this all you want.  You can throw yourselves on the ground and hold your breath till you turn blue and pass out, but that fact is not going to change.

I&#039;ve said this before, and no doubt I&#039;ll have to say it again: as far as exercise goes, I have done more than any of you could ever dream of doing.  I have walked and ridden bikes across continents.  I have swum oceans.  I have lifted ton upon ton of free weights.  And yes, before you tell me I must have been doing it all wrong, I have been properly trained in all these activities, and my fat ass have been complimented by many a trainer and physiotherapist for my impeccable technique.  As far as food goes, I have starved myself.  I have counted calories.  I have counted fat grams. I have followed a &quot;reasonable,&quot; balanced diet.  And again, to circumvent the inevitable sneering about how I must not know what that really means, when I talk to the dietitian I work with, she is amazed at the depth of nutrtitional knowledge I have as a layperson.  I HAVE DONE EVERY DAMN THING &quot;RIGHT&quot; AND I. AM. STILL. FAT.  Now get over it and stop demonising people by spouting off about things you have no understanding of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Only in this country is obesity a problem in poverty.&#8221;</p>
<p>What a load of rubbish.  Try looking outside of your borders and you&#8217;ll see that obesity in poverty is rife across many cultures and nations.  It has more to do with the fact that it&#8217;s MORE AFFORDABLE and MORE FEASIBLE DUE TO TIME CONSTRAINTS to live on chips and curry sauce than healthy food.</p>
<p>Mordacai, Lisa and anyone else who smugly assumes they know what&#8217;s going on, I have news for you:  for many people this is a social problem, not a &#8220;willpower/addiction&#8221; or &#8220;laziness&#8221; problem.  And the only way it is going to be fixed is if we radically change our ideas about distribution of wealth.  Deal with it.</p>
<p>Also, as Lisa noted, there are many, many fat people who eat healthy food, in no greater quantities than &#8220;thin&#8221; or &#8220;normal weight&#8221; people, exercise a reasonable amount and, guess what?, STILL STAY FAT. You can scream and cry about this all you want.  You can throw yourselves on the ground and hold your breath till you turn blue and pass out, but that fact is not going to change.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve said this before, and no doubt I&#8217;ll have to say it again: as far as exercise goes, I have done more than any of you could ever dream of doing.  I have walked and ridden bikes across continents.  I have swum oceans.  I have lifted ton upon ton of free weights.  And yes, before you tell me I must have been doing it all wrong, I have been properly trained in all these activities, and my fat ass have been complimented by many a trainer and physiotherapist for my impeccable technique.  As far as food goes, I have starved myself.  I have counted calories.  I have counted fat grams. I have followed a &#8220;reasonable,&#8221; balanced diet.  And again, to circumvent the inevitable sneering about how I must not know what that really means, when I talk to the dietitian I work with, she is amazed at the depth of nutrtitional knowledge I have as a layperson.  I HAVE DONE EVERY DAMN THING &#8220;RIGHT&#8221; AND I. AM. STILL. FAT.  Now get over it and stop demonising people by spouting off about things you have no understanding of.</p>
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		<title>By: What We’ve Been Up To Behind Your Back (August 2009) &#187; Sociological Images</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/01/30/vintage-ad-for-chubby-fashions/comment-page-1/#comment-107336</link>
		<dc:creator>What We’ve Been Up To Behind Your Back (August 2009) &#187; Sociological Images</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 20:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] You can also check out the vintage ad for Lane Bryant girls&#8217; clothing that we added to our post on fashion for &#8220;chubby&#8221; girls. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jillian C. York</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/01/30/vintage-ad-for-chubby-fashions/comment-page-1/#comment-107326</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillian C. York</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think, in this discussion of &quot;chubby&quot; (and no, I don&#039;t think the first girl is chubby at all, at least not by today&#039;s standards) is the fact that chubby has gone from being a one-off to being the norm.  Sure, it&#039;s okay for a kid to be a little &quot;chubby,&quot; but is it good or healthy for ALL kids to be chubby?  When chubby becomes the new standard (and it has), why aren&#039;t we concerned about that?

Again - acceptance of all body types is a good thing and acceptance of individual overweight adults is fine too, but acceptance that everyone&#039;s getting bigger because of unhealthy habits?  Never okay in my book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think, in this discussion of &#8220;chubby&#8221; (and no, I don&#8217;t think the first girl is chubby at all, at least not by today&#8217;s standards) is the fact that chubby has gone from being a one-off to being the norm.  Sure, it&#8217;s okay for a kid to be a little &#8220;chubby,&#8221; but is it good or healthy for ALL kids to be chubby?  When chubby becomes the new standard (and it has), why aren&#8217;t we concerned about that?</p>
<p>Again &#8211; acceptance of all body types is a good thing and acceptance of individual overweight adults is fine too, but acceptance that everyone&#8217;s getting bigger because of unhealthy habits?  Never okay in my book.</p>
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		<title>By: lisa</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/01/30/vintage-ad-for-chubby-fashions/comment-page-1/#comment-93138</link>
		<dc:creator>lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 19:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ummmm.....after working for years in nursing, with a lot of people ranging from &quot;heavy&quot; or larger to just plain fat, I have a statement.  Complain all you like about categorizing, I know few fat people who actually DO exercise, eat decent food---and not all the time!  Quantity counts, too.   There is an element of self-discipline involved, just as with any other now-medicalized lack of willpower---alcoholism, drug abuse, etc.

The fact that Americans, in general, eat 2-3 times as much food as almost any other culture really does have something to do with how fat we are....and it is a shameful waste of the world&#039;s resources.  Only in this country is obesity a problem in poverty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummmm&#8230;..after working for years in nursing, with a lot of people ranging from &#8220;heavy&#8221; or larger to just plain fat, I have a statement.  Complain all you like about categorizing, I know few fat people who actually DO exercise, eat decent food&#8212;and not all the time!  Quantity counts, too.   There is an element of self-discipline involved, just as with any other now-medicalized lack of willpower&#8212;alcoholism, drug abuse, etc.</p>
<p>The fact that Americans, in general, eat 2-3 times as much food as almost any other culture really does have something to do with how fat we are&#8230;.and it is a shameful waste of the world&#8217;s resources.  Only in this country is obesity a problem in poverty.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i was a chubby child growing up in the 90s and i remember having seen the term &quot;plus-size&quot; around in clothing stores, thing is, when i look at pictures of myself when i was 6 to about 12 years of age, i don&#039;t believe i was fat at all, and barely deserved the term &quot;chubby&quot; - yet, a few years ago my mother and i were watching some interview with a mother and her little girl, i think we was about 6, over childhood obesity, and the child was very, very obese. frighteningly, to the point where you worried for her health. my mother put on a saddened face and said &quot;that&#039;s what you used to look like when you were little&quot;

i&#039;ve heard about similar things happening with my female friends in their childhoods, so i was just kind of wondering if mothers are becoming overly critical of their daughters, or has this kind of thing been around a long time? my guess is the latter, considering the &quot;but her Mother does&quot; line in the sears advertisement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i was a chubby child growing up in the 90s and i remember having seen the term &#8220;plus-size&#8221; around in clothing stores, thing is, when i look at pictures of myself when i was 6 to about 12 years of age, i don&#8217;t believe i was fat at all, and barely deserved the term &#8220;chubby&#8221; &#8211; yet, a few years ago my mother and i were watching some interview with a mother and her little girl, i think we was about 6, over childhood obesity, and the child was very, very obese. frighteningly, to the point where you worried for her health. my mother put on a saddened face and said &#8220;that&#8217;s what you used to look like when you were little&#8221;</p>
<p>i&#8217;ve heard about similar things happening with my female friends in their childhoods, so i was just kind of wondering if mothers are becoming overly critical of their daughters, or has this kind of thing been around a long time? my guess is the latter, considering the &#8220;but her Mother does&#8221; line in the sears advertisement.</p>
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		<title>By: Stacia</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/01/30/vintage-ad-for-chubby-fashions/comment-page-1/#comment-7628</link>
		<dc:creator>Stacia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This brings back memories.  As a girl in the 70s, the larger clothes I got were plus, but I recall they used a plus sign instead of the word; for a long while I wore size &quot;6+&quot;.  In boys jeans I wore &quot;husky&quot;, and I had to get boys jeans because girls jeans didn&#039;t come in plus sizes until the late 70s.  And it is so true that these clothes were to make moms happy, at least in my case. 

Like Kelly, looking back on old photos of me I realize I wasn&#039;t fat at all.  But I was teased for being fat, even when I was 18 years old and wearing a size 6.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This brings back memories.  As a girl in the 70s, the larger clothes I got were plus, but I recall they used a plus sign instead of the word; for a long while I wore size &#8220;6+&#8221;.  In boys jeans I wore &#8220;husky&#8221;, and I had to get boys jeans because girls jeans didn&#8217;t come in plus sizes until the late 70s.  And it is so true that these clothes were to make moms happy, at least in my case. </p>
<p>Like Kelly, looking back on old photos of me I realize I wasn&#8217;t fat at all.  But I was teased for being fat, even when I was 18 years old and wearing a size 6.</p>
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		<title>By: Kjerstin</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/01/30/vintage-ad-for-chubby-fashions/comment-page-1/#comment-7130</link>
		<dc:creator>Kjerstin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to use this image in one of my seminars - would it be possible to get citation info for where it was published?  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to use this image in one of my seminars &#8211; would it be possible to get citation info for where it was published?  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Big Fat Deal &#187; Old-Timey Clothing Ad For &#8220;Chubby&#8221; Kids</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/01/30/vintage-ad-for-chubby-fashions/comment-page-1/#comment-6800</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Fat Deal &#187; Old-Timey Clothing Ad For &#8220;Chubby&#8221; Kids</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 21:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] saw this vintage ad here and was quite struck by it. The ad is from the 1970s, and the headline [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/01/30/vintage-ad-for-chubby-fashions/comment-page-1/#comment-6761</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 18:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post brought up a lot of upsetting memories. I wore &quot;Pretty Plus&quot; as a kid in the 70s and 80s, and shopping for them was always a horror show. The clothes weren&#039;t as cute as for the smaller girls, and my mother was just mortified to have to be in that section.

Odd thing is - looking back on pictures of myself, I wasn&#039;t fat! I was taller than pretty much all the kids, and just a bit bigger all around, but I was basically concave. So looking at this pic of a girl who really does not look the least bit chubby makes me feel angry on her behalf...and on my own behalf, as a kid who had the temerity to be bigger than the others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post brought up a lot of upsetting memories. I wore &#8220;Pretty Plus&#8221; as a kid in the 70s and 80s, and shopping for them was always a horror show. The clothes weren&#8217;t as cute as for the smaller girls, and my mother was just mortified to have to be in that section.</p>
<p>Odd thing is &#8211; looking back on pictures of myself, I wasn&#8217;t fat! I was taller than pretty much all the kids, and just a bit bigger all around, but I was basically concave. So looking at this pic of a girl who really does not look the least bit chubby makes me feel angry on her behalf&#8230;and on my own behalf, as a kid who had the temerity to be bigger than the others.</p>
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