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	<title>Comments on: The Old and New Spock and Captain Kirk</title>
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		<title>By: links for 2009-02-17 / The Student Photography Blog</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/01/22/the-old-and-new-spock-and-captain-kirk/comment-page-1/#comment-7280</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2009-02-17 / The Student Photography Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sociological Images » THE OLD AND NEW SPOCK AND CAPTAIN KIRK (tags: CAP) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/01/22/the-old-and-new-spock-and-captain-kirk/comment-page-1/#comment-6343</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 04:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re supposed to be younger. What better way to symbolize youth than to smooth away wrinkles? And maybe get a little carried away...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re supposed to be younger. What better way to symbolize youth than to smooth away wrinkles? And maybe get a little carried away&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Penny</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/01/22/the-old-and-new-spock-and-captain-kirk/comment-page-1/#comment-6338</link>
		<dc:creator>Penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 22:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I also just noticed in the side-by-side that they&#039;re not wearing their original colors.  How can it be Kirk without the butterscotch-colored jersey? ;)  Spock&#039;s blue has warmed up a bit--more a deep turquoise now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I also just noticed in the side-by-side that they&#8217;re not wearing their original colors.  How can it be Kirk without the butterscotch-colored jersey? ;)  Spock&#8217;s blue has warmed up a bit&#8211;more a deep turquoise now.</p>
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		<title>By: Falconer</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/01/22/the-old-and-new-spock-and-captain-kirk/comment-page-1/#comment-6316</link>
		<dc:creator>Falconer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 23:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leonard Nimoy at the time of the original filming of the series had a couple of fairly deep pockmarks near the corner of his right jaw. I only recently noticed it on YouTube, but would they have left it there today? I doubt it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leonard Nimoy at the time of the original filming of the series had a couple of fairly deep pockmarks near the corner of his right jaw. I only recently noticed it on YouTube, but would they have left it there today? I doubt it.</p>
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		<title>By: KarenElhyam</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/01/22/the-old-and-new-spock-and-captain-kirk/comment-page-1/#comment-6305</link>
		<dc:creator>KarenElhyam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Supposing this is all just a matter of being lit a certain way, the important thing to think about is why did they bother to light them differently, if not to make them LOOK different? 

It doesn&#039;t matter HOW they did it, what matters is the final product, and the aesthetic it&#039;s demonstrating. 

The less human you look, and the more like a perfect illustration, the better. It doesn&#039;t matter where in the media you look, that&#039;s the guidelines used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Supposing this is all just a matter of being lit a certain way, the important thing to think about is why did they bother to light them differently, if not to make them LOOK different? </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter HOW they did it, what matters is the final product, and the aesthetic it&#8217;s demonstrating. </p>
<p>The less human you look, and the more like a perfect illustration, the better. It doesn&#8217;t matter where in the media you look, that&#8217;s the guidelines used.</p>
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		<title>By: Penny</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/01/22/the-old-and-new-spock-and-captain-kirk/comment-page-1/#comment-6278</link>
		<dc:creator>Penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 03:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clarify, I completely agree with Vidya on this point:

&quot;The very presupposition that natural human features, as they appear on real bodies in real life, are ‘flaws’ which need to be obscured for the comfort of the audience points to a very disturbing set of ideas about how we collectively view and value bodies and persons today.&quot;

And the truth is that many efforts to make faces and bodies more smooth and ideal are themselves distracting--so I&#039;d rather they didn&#039;t!  (On the other hand, IIRC, Shatner was corseted for some episodes of Star Trek, as his shape strayed from the show&#039;s vision of a fit, taut captain--so maybe that hasn&#039;t changed so much.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify, I completely agree with Vidya on this point:</p>
<p>&#8220;The very presupposition that natural human features, as they appear on real bodies in real life, are ‘flaws’ which need to be obscured for the comfort of the audience points to a very disturbing set of ideas about how we collectively view and value bodies and persons today.&#8221;</p>
<p>And the truth is that many efforts to make faces and bodies more smooth and ideal are themselves distracting&#8211;so I&#8217;d rather they didn&#8217;t!  (On the other hand, IIRC, Shatner was corseted for some episodes of Star Trek, as his shape strayed from the show&#8217;s vision of a fit, taut captain&#8211;so maybe that hasn&#8217;t changed so much.)</p>
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		<title>By: Vidya</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/01/22/the-old-and-new-spock-and-captain-kirk/comment-page-1/#comment-6277</link>
		<dc:creator>Vidya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 03:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;...film and TV makers know the onscreen actors’ smallest flaws will be highly visible and could pose a distraction.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I think this captures one of the common &#039;justifications&#039; used by media producers for such decisions (otherwise, how would they sleep at night...). The very presupposition that natural human features, as they appear on real bodies in real life, are &#039;flaws&#039; which need to be obscured for the comfort of the audience points to a very disturbing set of ideas about how we collectively view and value bodies and persons today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;&#8230;film and TV makers know the onscreen actors’ smallest flaws will be highly visible and could pose a distraction.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I think this captures one of the common &#8216;justifications&#8217; used by media producers for such decisions (otherwise, how would they sleep at night&#8230;). The very presupposition that natural human features, as they appear on real bodies in real life, are &#8216;flaws&#8217; which need to be obscured for the comfort of the audience points to a very disturbing set of ideas about how we collectively view and value bodies and persons today.</p>
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		<title>By: Penny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, the lighting and angle of the shots are different, which limits the usefulness of side-by-side comparison.  But yes, the actors in the original TV series were somewhat more quirky looking than the actors in the upcoming movie.  

Remember that in 1967, a lot of homes still didn&#039;t even have color televisions--so the details of skin texture, hair, facial symmetry, etc., would probably not be so closely judged by the audience.  And at the time, they hardly expected that anyone would be able to freeze-frame, screen capture, etc.  Now, with HD televisions and DVDs, film and TV makers know the onscreen actors&#039; smallest flaws will be highly visible and could pose a distraction.  So it makes sense (sadly) that they&#039;d want conventionally &quot;prettier&quot; casts.

(Also, Kirk and Spock used to be played by Jewish actors; now they&#039;re not.  Huh.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, the lighting and angle of the shots are different, which limits the usefulness of side-by-side comparison.  But yes, the actors in the original TV series were somewhat more quirky looking than the actors in the upcoming movie.  </p>
<p>Remember that in 1967, a lot of homes still didn&#8217;t even have color televisions&#8211;so the details of skin texture, hair, facial symmetry, etc., would probably not be so closely judged by the audience.  And at the time, they hardly expected that anyone would be able to freeze-frame, screen capture, etc.  Now, with HD televisions and DVDs, film and TV makers know the onscreen actors&#8217; smallest flaws will be highly visible and could pose a distraction.  So it makes sense (sadly) that they&#8217;d want conventionally &#8220;prettier&#8221; casts.</p>
<p>(Also, Kirk and Spock used to be played by Jewish actors; now they&#8217;re not.  Huh.)</p>
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		<title>By: Leontine</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/01/22/the-old-and-new-spock-and-captain-kirk/comment-page-1/#comment-6272</link>
		<dc:creator>Leontine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I posted about this on my blog, I talked about the lighting too, plus my own theory that there is homoeroticism lurking in the shadows.  (http://leontinemay.livejournal.com/5605.html)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I posted about this on my blog, I talked about the lighting too, plus my own theory that there is homoeroticism lurking in the shadows.  (<a href="http://leontinemay.livejournal.com/5605.html" rel="nofollow">http://leontinemay.livejournal.com/5605.html</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Ferguson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Ferguson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right that the photo on the right shows some fairly heavy airbrushing, but another thing not being taken into account is that the two photos are lit completely differently.

Just at a glance, even with thumbnails, I can tell that the original had (probably) a single somewhat-diffused light source on camera left. It&#039;s not too diffused though because the light falloff is quite dramatic across Kirk&#039;s face. This could just be a reflector, but I&#039;d guess it&#039;s another flash firing just a touch lighter than the main light.

This would make a huge difference, even before they let the airbrush near the shot.

The other photo is using multiple light sources, two minimum. The first is on the left, in almost the same position as the original but it&#039;s considerably more diffused. I&#039;d say a larger softbox or perhaps just &#039;a&#039; softbox if the original was using an umbrella.

There&#039;s a second light source, camera right, facing them at about 45 degrees. Kirk&#039;s right half is clearly more well lit, but Spock&#039;s is still dark. So, it seems like Kirk is in the path of the light, and is blocking some to Spock&#039;s right side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right that the photo on the right shows some fairly heavy airbrushing, but another thing not being taken into account is that the two photos are lit completely differently.</p>
<p>Just at a glance, even with thumbnails, I can tell that the original had (probably) a single somewhat-diffused light source on camera left. It&#8217;s not too diffused though because the light falloff is quite dramatic across Kirk&#8217;s face. This could just be a reflector, but I&#8217;d guess it&#8217;s another flash firing just a touch lighter than the main light.</p>
<p>This would make a huge difference, even before they let the airbrush near the shot.</p>
<p>The other photo is using multiple light sources, two minimum. The first is on the left, in almost the same position as the original but it&#8217;s considerably more diffused. I&#8217;d say a larger softbox or perhaps just &#8216;a&#8217; softbox if the original was using an umbrella.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a second light source, camera right, facing them at about 45 degrees. Kirk&#8217;s right half is clearly more well lit, but Spock&#8217;s is still dark. So, it seems like Kirk is in the path of the light, and is blocking some to Spock&#8217;s right side.</p>
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