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	<title>Comments on: An Entitlement to the Right to Define and Consume Female Beauty</title>
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		<title>By: Hoopla</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2008/11/29/an-entitlement-to-the-right-to-define-and-consume-female-beauty/comment-page-1/#comment-545034</link>
		<dc:creator>Hoopla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 19:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The third woman looks like Carla from Scrubs.</description>
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		<title>By: Neffter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neffter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 23:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uhh, you&#039;re the troll. Not andrea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uhh, you&#8217;re the troll. Not andrea.</p>
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		<title>By: Neffter</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2008/11/29/an-entitlement-to-the-right-to-define-and-consume-female-beauty/comment-page-1/#comment-536442</link>
		<dc:creator>Neffter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 23:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen and thank you. Jesus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen and thank you. Jesus.</p>
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		<title>By: Neffter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neffter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 23:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on.</p>
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		<title>By: Neffter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neffter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 23:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I smell sexism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I smell sexism.</p>
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		<title>By: Nemang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nemang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 23:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fuck you. Fuck you a thousand times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fuck you. Fuck you a thousand times.</p>
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		<title>By: Neffter</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2008/11/29/an-entitlement-to-the-right-to-define-and-consume-female-beauty/comment-page-1/#comment-536438</link>
		<dc:creator>Neffter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 23:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seconded so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seconded so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The athletes could be fine people. But they have changed the makeup of their body and its presentation to such a degree that for me they are somewhere in the uncanny valley. And my statement of opinion is no more important to their chosen hobby/profession than looking at your tie/shirt combo and thinking &quot;You&#039;re wearing that? Really?&quot;

I&#039;ll be honest and say that my view of body image is a product of social factors. I&#039;ll also say that I&#039;m entitled to it and won&#039;t apologize for it. It&#039;s what I like. Promoting universal acceptance of all body types by everyone is unrealistic. You can&#039;t eliminate preference, nor would you want to. Better to promote a polite society that recognizes that what any of the ladies do with their body is none of my business, and my opinion is mine to have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The athletes could be fine people. But they have changed the makeup of their body and its presentation to such a degree that for me they are somewhere in the uncanny valley. And my statement of opinion is no more important to their chosen hobby/profession than looking at your tie/shirt combo and thinking &#8220;You&#8217;re wearing that? Really?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be honest and say that my view of body image is a product of social factors. I&#8217;ll also say that I&#8217;m entitled to it and won&#8217;t apologize for it. It&#8217;s what I like. Promoting universal acceptance of all body types by everyone is unrealistic. You can&#8217;t eliminate preference, nor would you want to. Better to promote a polite society that recognizes that what any of the ladies do with their body is none of my business, and my opinion is mine to have.</p>
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		<title>By: Baxter</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2008/11/29/an-entitlement-to-the-right-to-define-and-consume-female-beauty/comment-page-1/#comment-296364</link>
		<dc:creator>Baxter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 15:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>people: y&#039;all are completely missing the point. additionally, concerning the argument about looking &#039;natural&#039; natural does not always equal good. arsenic is natural. disease and death are natural. me punching somebody in the face because they piss me off is natural. i rest my case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>people: y&#8217;all are completely missing the point. additionally, concerning the argument about looking &#8216;natural&#8217; natural does not always equal good. arsenic is natural. disease and death are natural. me punching somebody in the face because they piss me off is natural. i rest my case.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose N.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rose N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 00:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently you, too, have missed the point of this thread. Your comment is far more appropriate for the BoingBoing thread linked to at the top of the page....Also, check your (presumably) cisgender privilege. (Helpful hint, for one: if someone identifies as a &quot;she,&quot; she is one.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently you, too, have missed the point of this thread. Your comment is far more appropriate for the BoingBoing thread linked to at the top of the page&#8230;.Also, check your (presumably) cisgender privilege. (Helpful hint, for one: if someone identifies as a &#8220;she,&#8221; she is one.)</p>
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		<title>By: KT</title>
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		<dc:creator>KT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bodybuilders being discussed here (both men and women) most certainly are using steroids.  It&#039;s a well known fact in the industry, both professional and amateur circles.  The &quot;natural&quot; bodybuilding shows feature a much much different physique and contestants are drug tested.  A Google image search quickly turns up some examples (you can find more/read up on the different between competitions and even find champions openly disussing their drug use/details of their cycles in magazines and on websites).

Natural: http://www.skmagazine.eu/upload/images/20090126163410_natural_bodybuilding_3.jpg, http://mightykat.net/index.cgi

Steroids: http://www.smileosmile.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/coleman.jpg, http://nikigfitness.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/bodybuilder11.jpg

To each his own opinion and taste, but there is a BIG difference between a natural bodybuilder with good genetics and one that is heavily assisted with large quantities of quasi-legal supplements and steroids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bodybuilders being discussed here (both men and women) most certainly are using steroids.  It&#8217;s a well known fact in the industry, both professional and amateur circles.  The &#8220;natural&#8221; bodybuilding shows feature a much much different physique and contestants are drug tested.  A Google image search quickly turns up some examples (you can find more/read up on the different between competitions and even find champions openly disussing their drug use/details of their cycles in magazines and on websites).</p>
<p>Natural: <a href="http://www.skmagazine.eu/upload/images/20090126163410_natural_bodybuilding_3.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.skmagazine.eu/upload/images/20090126163410_natural_bodybuilding_3.jpg</a>, <a href="http://mightykat.net/index.cgi" rel="nofollow">http://mightykat.net/index.cgi</a></p>
<p>Steroids: <a href="http://www.smileosmile.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/coleman.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.smileosmile.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/coleman.jpg</a>, <a href="http://nikigfitness.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/bodybuilder11.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://nikigfitness.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/bodybuilder11.jpg</a></p>
<p>To each his own opinion and taste, but there is a BIG difference between a natural bodybuilder with good genetics and one that is heavily assisted with large quantities of quasi-legal supplements and steroids.</p>
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		<title>By: Steph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it sexist to call them Amazons? Because that&#039;s what I&#039;m inclined to say! As a pile of marshmellow, I&#039;d love some tips from them on how to get buff and kick butt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it sexist to call them Amazons? Because that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m inclined to say! As a pile of marshmellow, I&#8217;d love some tips from them on how to get buff and kick butt.</p>
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		<title>By: Which Women Play on the Center Court at Wimbledon? &#187; Sociological Images</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2008/11/29/an-entitlement-to-the-right-to-define-and-consume-female-beauty/comment-page-1/#comment-185936</link>
		<dc:creator>Which Women Play on the Center Court at Wimbledon? &#187; Sociological Images</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 19:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] posts about female athletes and attractiveness are here, here, here, here (watch the second video), here, and here.        24 Comments     Tags: gender, gender: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2008/11/29/an-entitlement-to-the-right-to-define-and-consume-female-beauty/comment-page-1/#comment-169998</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many of the comments seem to completely miss the point - or, perhaps, prove the point.  Even in the context of discussing the assumption that women ought to make themselves conventionally attractive, you can&#039;t post pictures of conventionally unattractive women without getting a long page of comments judging them for their appearance.

Gotta love all the excuses people to come up with to make it okay to say there&#039;s something wrong with women who they don&#039;t find attractive.  First, you have the people who throw in an extra sentence about how they judge men equally harshly to prove they&#039;re not sexist.  If you think that contributing to a culture of &quot;entitlement to the right to define and consume female beauty&quot; is not a problem just because you&#039;re also putting down men, you&#039;ve seriously misunderstood the goals of feminism.  We&#039;re trying to address the injustices women face, not inflict the same problems on men.

Then, you have the people who try to justify calling these women &quot;grotesque&quot; or &quot;disgusting&quot; because they&#039;re unhealthy.  Set aside, for a moment, the fact that we don&#039;t actually know the first thing about these individual women&#039;s health.  Even if you can make the case that &quot;unattractive&quot; women are making personal decisions about their own bodies that are not medically optimal, it doesn&#039;t change the fact that you are not entitled to have them do otherwise.  Health is often used as an excuse to judge women for their appearances, but women don&#039;t &quot;owe it to the world&quot; to be healthy any more than they &quot;owe it to the world&quot; to be attractive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of the comments seem to completely miss the point &#8211; or, perhaps, prove the point.  Even in the context of discussing the assumption that women ought to make themselves conventionally attractive, you can&#8217;t post pictures of conventionally unattractive women without getting a long page of comments judging them for their appearance.</p>
<p>Gotta love all the excuses people to come up with to make it okay to say there&#8217;s something wrong with women who they don&#8217;t find attractive.  First, you have the people who throw in an extra sentence about how they judge men equally harshly to prove they&#8217;re not sexist.  If you think that contributing to a culture of &#8220;entitlement to the right to define and consume female beauty&#8221; is not a problem just because you&#8217;re also putting down men, you&#8217;ve seriously misunderstood the goals of feminism.  We&#8217;re trying to address the injustices women face, not inflict the same problems on men.</p>
<p>Then, you have the people who try to justify calling these women &#8220;grotesque&#8221; or &#8220;disgusting&#8221; because they&#8217;re unhealthy.  Set aside, for a moment, the fact that we don&#8217;t actually know the first thing about these individual women&#8217;s health.  Even if you can make the case that &#8220;unattractive&#8221; women are making personal decisions about their own bodies that are not medically optimal, it doesn&#8217;t change the fact that you are not entitled to have them do otherwise.  Health is often used as an excuse to judge women for their appearances, but women don&#8217;t &#8220;owe it to the world&#8221; to be healthy any more than they &#8220;owe it to the world&#8221; to be attractive.</p>
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		<title>By: insufficient data</title>
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		<dc:creator>insufficient data</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THANK YOU. Good lord. Did these people even read the goddamn post? Christ on crutch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THANK YOU. Good lord. Did these people even read the goddamn post? Christ on crutch.</p>
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