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	<title>Comments on: Images of Native Americans</title>
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		<title>By: Pkmn12</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2008/11/09/images-of-native-americans/comment-page-1/#comment-547069</link>
		<dc:creator>Pkmn12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah modern Natives have our place but so to do the ones who came before and  why shouldn&#039;t they be considered noble? Then we had true freedom and democracy as opposed to a corrupted mirror image. Who wouldn&#039;t want to return to that? That&#039;s the problem now - too much of the old wisdom is lost by most.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah modern Natives have our place but so to do the ones who came before and  why shouldn&#8217;t they be considered noble? Then we had true freedom and democracy as opposed to a corrupted mirror image. Who wouldn&#8217;t want to return to that? That&#8217;s the problem now &#8211; too much of the old wisdom is lost by most.</p>
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		<title>By: Culturally Appropriating Native Americans: A &#8220;Hands-on Approach to History&#8221; &#187; Sociological Images</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2008/11/09/images-of-native-americans/comment-page-1/#comment-259326</link>
		<dc:creator>Culturally Appropriating Native Americans: A &#8220;Hands-on Approach to History&#8221; &#187; Sociological Images</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 16:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] skin is dark but my heart is white&#8220;, anachronistic images of Native Americans, &#8220;My Indian name is&#8230;&#8220;, the sports mascot Chief Illini, Playmobil&#8217;s Native American family, Howe Nissan [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] skin is dark but my heart is white&#8220;, anachronistic images of Native Americans, &#8220;My Indian name is&#8230;&#8220;, the sports mascot Chief Illini, Playmobil&#8217;s Native American family, Howe Nissan [...]</p>
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		<title>By: usmanmalik12</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2008/11/09/images-of-native-americans/comment-page-1/#comment-89344</link>
		<dc:creator>usmanmalik12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 13:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so cute shirts me asl malik usman ali nomania road, gujranwala pakistan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so cute shirts me asl malik usman ali nomania road, gujranwala pakistan</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Schmidt</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2008/11/09/images-of-native-americans/comment-page-1/#comment-4778</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Schmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For more on the subjects you&#039;ve raised here, see &quot;&#039;Funny&#039; Indian Names&quot; (http://www.bluecorncomics.com/funnames.htm) and &quot;Romanticized Indians&quot; (http://www.bluecorncomics.com/romantic.htm).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For more on the subjects you&#8217;ve raised here, see &#8220;&#8216;Funny&#8217; Indian Names&#8221; (<a href="http://www.bluecorncomics.com/funnames.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.bluecorncomics.com/funnames.htm</a>) and &#8220;Romanticized Indians&#8221; (<a href="http://www.bluecorncomics.com/romantic.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.bluecorncomics.com/romantic.htm</a>).</p>
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		<title>By: Chloe</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2008/11/09/images-of-native-americans/comment-page-1/#comment-4693</link>
		<dc:creator>Chloe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s very true - this sort of stereotyping is degrading, yet I still caught myself smiling about the Walks with Poop sign (mostly because it took me a second to read it, and then I didn&#039;t understand why the word &quot;poop&quot; was so big).

This post reminds me of Sherman Alexie&#039;s books. He writes pretty bluntly about the realities of life on the conservation, and when it all comes down to it, romanticized visions of Pocahontas no longer (or rather, never did) show the real picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s very true &#8211; this sort of stereotyping is degrading, yet I still caught myself smiling about the Walks with Poop sign (mostly because it took me a second to read it, and then I didn&#8217;t understand why the word &#8220;poop&#8221; was so big).</p>
<p>This post reminds me of Sherman Alexie&#8217;s books. He writes pretty bluntly about the realities of life on the conservation, and when it all comes down to it, romanticized visions of Pocahontas no longer (or rather, never did) show the real picture.</p>
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		<title>By: Appropriate This</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2008/11/09/images-of-native-americans/comment-page-1/#comment-4532</link>
		<dc:creator>Appropriate This</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 19:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How humiliating and degrading can these idiotic t-shirts be?  Can you believe how many people still purport positive opinions as legitimate evidence that claims of offensiveness are wrong?  Gah- NO one deserves to be dehumanized.

Even Shirt.Woot is not immune from ignorance:
http://shirt.woot.com/Friends.aspx?k=6506

Please don&#039;t patronize them; utilize Thanksgiving to decry this abberation.  The shirt description is even more horrible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How humiliating and degrading can these idiotic t-shirts be?  Can you believe how many people still purport positive opinions as legitimate evidence that claims of offensiveness are wrong?  Gah- NO one deserves to be dehumanized.</p>
<p>Even Shirt.Woot is not immune from ignorance:<br />
<a href="http://shirt.woot.com/Friends.aspx?k=6506" rel="nofollow">http://shirt.woot.com/Friends.aspx?k=6506</a></p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t patronize them; utilize Thanksgiving to decry this abberation.  The shirt description is even more horrible.</p>
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		<title>By: Sociological Images &#187; ANACHRONISM AND AMERICAN INDIANS</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2008/11/09/images-of-native-americans/comment-page-1/#comment-4289</link>
		<dc:creator>Sociological Images &#187; ANACHRONISM AND AMERICAN INDIANS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] them with feathers, buckskins, and moccasins. These anachronisms are everywhere (see, for example, here, here, here, here, and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] them with feathers, buckskins, and moccasins. These anachronisms are everywhere (see, for example, here, here, here, here, and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: sonicdeluxe</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2008/11/09/images-of-native-americans/comment-page-1/#comment-4169</link>
		<dc:creator>sonicdeluxe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 03:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me and a couple friends have sat around many a time coming up with Indian names for people.  It&#039;s been an exercise in humor.  BTW - one of mine is Eats Lots of Cheese.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me and a couple friends have sat around many a time coming up with Indian names for people.  It&#8217;s been an exercise in humor.  BTW &#8211; one of mine is Eats Lots of Cheese.</p>
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		<title>By: Eoin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eoin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny how you never see similar T shirts with representations of the Saami people of Finland on them. Or the gypsies of eastern Hungary? Good post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny how you never see similar T shirts with representations of the Saami people of Finland on them. Or the gypsies of eastern Hungary? Good post.</p>
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		<title>By: K</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2008/11/09/images-of-native-americans/comment-page-1/#comment-4125</link>
		<dc:creator>K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 23:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting stuff.

On the topic of  adopting &quot;foreign&quot; names, I remember my brother&#039;s class, aged 8, having to adopt &quot;French&quot; names when they were in French lessons. My brother was distressed by this, partly because his assigned French name was nothing to do with his actual name. When I came to be a language assistant in France, the suggestion was made that our younger students might like to adopt &quot;English&quot; names for our classes. I never suggested this to them because I, too, find it all a bit bizarre. Also, it&#039;s very confusing for children who know each other&#039;s real names to remember what everyone else&#039;s alias is.

The other common &quot;translation&quot; of names I can think of is the forced translation of Scottish Gaelic or Welsh names when native speakers were forced to use English for school or work in the 20th century and earlier: Seamus becomes James, Ian or Sion becomes John, Seonaid or Sian becomes Jane. Those names, however, are etymologically the same, but it didn&#039;t always follow: Oifig often becomes Euphemia, which makes no sense until you consider that Oifig is pronounced (roughly) &quot;Effie&quot;.

My grandparents were Smiths. They often went on trips with their friends the Browns, and occasionally had trouble convincing hotel receptionists that yes, those were their real names. You don&#039;t meet as many Smiths as you would think, given its status as the generic WASP name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting stuff.</p>
<p>On the topic of  adopting &#8220;foreign&#8221; names, I remember my brother&#8217;s class, aged 8, having to adopt &#8220;French&#8221; names when they were in French lessons. My brother was distressed by this, partly because his assigned French name was nothing to do with his actual name. When I came to be a language assistant in France, the suggestion was made that our younger students might like to adopt &#8220;English&#8221; names for our classes. I never suggested this to them because I, too, find it all a bit bizarre. Also, it&#8217;s very confusing for children who know each other&#8217;s real names to remember what everyone else&#8217;s alias is.</p>
<p>The other common &#8220;translation&#8221; of names I can think of is the forced translation of Scottish Gaelic or Welsh names when native speakers were forced to use English for school or work in the 20th century and earlier: Seamus becomes James, Ian or Sion becomes John, Seonaid or Sian becomes Jane. Those names, however, are etymologically the same, but it didn&#8217;t always follow: Oifig often becomes Euphemia, which makes no sense until you consider that Oifig is pronounced (roughly) &#8220;Effie&#8221;.</p>
<p>My grandparents were Smiths. They often went on trips with their friends the Browns, and occasionally had trouble convincing hotel receptionists that yes, those were their real names. You don&#8217;t meet as many Smiths as you would think, given its status as the generic WASP name.</p>
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		<title>By: eallen</title>
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		<dc:creator>eallen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 22:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beverly Slapin writes list of sarcastic recommendations for &quot;How to Write a Historical Young Adult Novel with an Indian Theme for Fun and Profit,&quot; with examples taken from actual YA books. One of her comments concerns fake &quot;Indian-sounding&quot; names:

1. Name your characters in the traditional Indian way, using the formula that has been followed for decades: an adjective or participle followed by a noun. The adjective should be a color, the participle should imply animal or supernatural skills, and the noun should be an animal or natural occurrence or weapon. Young children are always named with a diminutive adjective followed by a predator (if a boy) or cute baby animal or form of flora (if a girl), and elders should always have the adjective “gray” in their names. If you are uncomfortable with the idea of making up names, go to authentic Indian sources. Just be sure that you cite them in your “author’s note.”

The rest of her trenchant comments can be read here: &lt;a&gt;Beverly Slapin&#039;s essay.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beverly Slapin writes list of sarcastic recommendations for &#8220;How to Write a Historical Young Adult Novel with an Indian Theme for Fun and Profit,&#8221; with examples taken from actual YA books. One of her comments concerns fake &#8220;Indian-sounding&#8221; names:</p>
<p>1. Name your characters in the traditional Indian way, using the formula that has been followed for decades: an adjective or participle followed by a noun. The adjective should be a color, the participle should imply animal or supernatural skills, and the noun should be an animal or natural occurrence or weapon. Young children are always named with a diminutive adjective followed by a predator (if a boy) or cute baby animal or form of flora (if a girl), and elders should always have the adjective “gray” in their names. If you are uncomfortable with the idea of making up names, go to authentic Indian sources. Just be sure that you cite them in your “author’s note.”</p>
<p>The rest of her trenchant comments can be read here: <a>Beverly Slapin&#8217;s essay.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Vidya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vidya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 17:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting that some of these representations -- idealized figurines, Disney&#039;s Pocahontas, etc. -- seem to have gained some popularity among aboriginal people in the community in which I used to live. There is, of course, criticism by some persons as well; yet, my impression is that First Nations&#039; peoples are often so desperate for &#039;positive&#039; images of themselves and their histories, that these idealized representations are sometimes &#039;re-appropriated&#039; by natives. (I admit that it sits a little uneasily with me, given the fraught politics involved in appropriation in the first place.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting that some of these representations &#8212; idealized figurines, Disney&#8217;s Pocahontas, etc. &#8212; seem to have gained some popularity among aboriginal people in the community in which I used to live. There is, of course, criticism by some persons as well; yet, my impression is that First Nations&#8217; peoples are often so desperate for &#8216;positive&#8217; images of themselves and their histories, that these idealized representations are sometimes &#8216;re-appropriated&#8217; by natives. (I admit that it sits a little uneasily with me, given the fraught politics involved in appropriation in the first place.)</p>
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