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		<title>By: I Eat Patriarchy for Brunch &#171; I&#039;ll Make It Myself!</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[I Eat Patriarchy for Brunch &#171; I&#039;ll Make It Myself!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 07:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] masculinizing food is the idea that men have a large appetite. Lisa Wade covers this in her article &#8220;Race, Class, and Gender in TV Dinners&#8220; on Sociological Images, but [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] masculinizing food is the idea that men have a large appetite. Lisa Wade covers this in her article &#8220;Race, Class, and Gender in TV Dinners&#8220; on Sociological Images, but [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Christina</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christina]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2011 13:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll have to take your word for it ... I don&#039;t see the gender or race or class messages.  Other than the &quot;Hungry Man&quot;, I can&#039;t see how any of them are masculine or feminine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll have to take your word for it &#8230; I don&#8217;t see the gender or race or class messages.  Other than the &#8220;Hungry Man&#8221;, I can&#8217;t see how any of them are masculine or feminine.</p>
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		<title>By: Cupcakes for Men. No, Seriously. Cupcakes for Men. &#187; Sociological Images</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cupcakes for Men. No, Seriously. Cupcakes for Men. &#187; Sociological Images]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] eggs for guys, chocolate milk for men, Wonder bread is a boy trap, Yorkie bars are not for girls, gender and TV dinners, Mr. T says Snickers bars are for real men, Twix tells guys how to get chicks, eat like a man, [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] eggs for guys, chocolate milk for men, Wonder bread is a boy trap, Yorkie bars are not for girls, gender and TV dinners, Mr. T says Snickers bars are for real men, Twix tells guys how to get chicks, eat like a man, [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: SELF DEVELOPMENT BLOG &#187; Hygrade Seed Company Says Vegetables Make You Tough and Strong</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SELF DEVELOPMENT BLOG &#187; Hygrade Seed Company Says Vegetables Make You Tough and Strong]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Brick House Tavern&#8217;s Gendered Menu &#187; Sociological Images</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brick House Tavern&#8217;s Gendered Menu &#187; Sociological Images]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] a common theme (see Lisa&#8217;s post on frozen dinners): real men need big meals with lots of meat. They don&#8217;t worry about health&#8211;they want [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] a common theme (see Lisa&#8217;s post on frozen dinners): real men need big meals with lots of meat. They don&#8217;t worry about health&#8211;they want [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Because Sassy Patterns And Floral Prints Make Men&#8217;s Eyeballs Bleed&#8230; &#187; Sociological Images</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Because Sassy Patterns And Floral Prints Make Men&#8217;s Eyeballs Bleed&#8230; &#187; Sociological Images]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] in gendered products: tv dinners, uniforms, candy bars, ear plugs &#8216;n stuff, deodorant, Pepsi, and mosquito repellent.        [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] in gendered products: tv dinners, uniforms, candy bars, ear plugs &#8216;n stuff, deodorant, Pepsi, and mosquito repellent.        [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: C.J</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[C.J]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 16:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kirsten, very good point regarding British media. Notice how Delia Smith or Nigella Lawson are perceived compared to Jamie Oliver or Gordon Ramsey.. Delia and Nigella are either sexy or mumsy and always &quot;domestic&quot;, while Jamie and Gordon are seen as genius entrepreneurs.
By the way, that was a Heinz advert and it never made it to screen in the UK thanks to a few moaning homophobes...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirsten, very good point regarding British media. Notice how Delia Smith or Nigella Lawson are perceived compared to Jamie Oliver or Gordon Ramsey.. Delia and Nigella are either sexy or mumsy and always &#8220;domestic&#8221;, while Jamie and Gordon are seen as genius entrepreneurs.<br />
By the way, that was a Heinz advert and it never made it to screen in the UK thanks to a few moaning homophobes&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 06:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see how &quot;Hungry-Man&quot; is aimed at men because of the &lt;em&gt;language&lt;/em&gt;, but I don&#039;t see how it&#039;s about class or race, other than that most  upper class people wouldn&#039;t eat TV dinners, and 90% of food products in North America target white consumers.

Is Kentucky Fried Chicken implicitly black? Is Bistro Crustini implicitly gay? Is any kind of salad implicitly feminine? Why isn&#039;t Stouffer&#039;s lasagna implicitly for women, since there is a salad in the background and casserole dishes are associated with mothers?

What would implicitly black food look like? What would implicitly gay food look like?

Working-class masculinity is NOT implicitly white; &lt;em&gt;white people&lt;/em&gt; THINK implicitly that working class males are white.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see how &#8220;Hungry-Man&#8221; is aimed at men because of the <em>language</em>, but I don&#8217;t see how it&#8217;s about class or race, other than that most  upper class people wouldn&#8217;t eat TV dinners, and 90% of food products in North America target white consumers.</p>
<p>Is Kentucky Fried Chicken implicitly black? Is Bistro Crustini implicitly gay? Is any kind of salad implicitly feminine? Why isn&#8217;t Stouffer&#8217;s lasagna implicitly for women, since there is a salad in the background and casserole dishes are associated with mothers?</p>
<p>What would implicitly black food look like? What would implicitly gay food look like?</p>
<p>Working-class masculinity is NOT implicitly white; <em>white people</em> THINK implicitly that working class males are white.</p>
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		<title>By: Dubi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dubi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 01:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lisa, but the problem this leaves us with is that you will for all eternity continue to see these gendered, racialized messages in TV dinners (and anything else), no matter what they do to avoid it.

These products target characteristics of individuals (even &quot;Hungry-Man&quot;, the way I see it, is nothing but an allusion to comic book superheroes - hence the font and all caps, reminiscent of the superman logo). These characteristics are part of certain stereotypes, but actual real people do have these characteristics, even if they don&#039;t fit the stereotype at all. People like sports, they don&#039;t have to be white males with beer-bellies to fit the bill and be a good target audience for a TV dinner. Some people like Merlot wine, they don&#039;t need to be effeminate to it, even if the stereotype says they are. You&#039;re extrapolating from the distinct, discrete characteristics that the products are aiming for, into a broader stereotype that I really can&#039;t see in these products (and some of these feel like your own idiosyncrasies rather than something objective), and then blame the products for perpetuating the stereotype -- when in fact, you&#039;re the one doing the perpetuation.

Let&#039;s try an exercise: design a TV dinner packaging that you would NOT be able to put in this post as somehow targeting a stereotype.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa, but the problem this leaves us with is that you will for all eternity continue to see these gendered, racialized messages in TV dinners (and anything else), no matter what they do to avoid it.</p>
<p>These products target characteristics of individuals (even &#8220;Hungry-Man&#8221;, the way I see it, is nothing but an allusion to comic book superheroes &#8211; hence the font and all caps, reminiscent of the superman logo). These characteristics are part of certain stereotypes, but actual real people do have these characteristics, even if they don&#8217;t fit the stereotype at all. People like sports, they don&#8217;t have to be white males with beer-bellies to fit the bill and be a good target audience for a TV dinner. Some people like Merlot wine, they don&#8217;t need to be effeminate to it, even if the stereotype says they are. You&#8217;re extrapolating from the distinct, discrete characteristics that the products are aiming for, into a broader stereotype that I really can&#8217;t see in these products (and some of these feel like your own idiosyncrasies rather than something objective), and then blame the products for perpetuating the stereotype &#8212; when in fact, you&#8217;re the one doing the perpetuation.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s try an exercise: design a TV dinner packaging that you would NOT be able to put in this post as somehow targeting a stereotype.</p>
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		<title>By: lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lisa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 22:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Asha,

I think your point is excellent.  I also think that when we teach students about these ideas, we do need to teach them to somehow see that race, class, gender etc are categories of analysis and teach them how this is problematic.  Absolutely.

I would suggest, though, that class is racialized and gendered, and gender racialized and classed, and race gendered and classed.  Thus the working class = white (vs. poor = black and brown) and upper class = feminine (vs. working class = masculine).  This is an important part of the lesson and one that, I still think, can be fairly read (into?) these dinners.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asha,</p>
<p>I think your point is excellent.  I also think that when we teach students about these ideas, we do need to teach them to somehow see that race, class, gender etc are categories of analysis and teach them how this is problematic.  Absolutely.</p>
<p>I would suggest, though, that class is racialized and gendered, and gender racialized and classed, and race gendered and classed.  Thus the working class = white (vs. poor = black and brown) and upper class = feminine (vs. working class = masculine).  This is an important part of the lesson and one that, I still think, can be fairly read (into?) these dinners.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirsten</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kirsten]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 20:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree. I can see that &quot;Hungry Man&quot; is aimed at men (duh) but don&#039;t get the &quot;implicit whiteness&quot;. What&#039;s uniquely white about barbecues or sports? (I suppose one could say that &quot;Swanson&quot; has a vaguely Scandinavian air, but only vaguely.)

The rest of the products I mostly see as neither particularly masculinised or femininised (though the top Lean Cuisine is quite pink, it&#039;s true.) They do look higher-quality and, I agree, seem to aim for a cosmopolitan air in their choice of wording.

But I just don&#039;t buy that the fancier wording is particularly feminized. It sounds like an attempt at chef-speak, and there are still more men at the top levels of restaurant kitchens than women. 

If anything, I would associate fancy cooking with the stereotyped male cook, and homely favourites with the stereotyped female cook. Men cook for special occasions, with fancy utensils and with a lot of fuss; women put dinner on the table using whatever&#039;s in the larder/refrigerator. An example of this would be the recent Hellmann&#039;s Mayonnaise &quot;deli chef&quot; advert where the addition of the mayonnaise transformed Mum into a (male) New York deli cook.

(I don&#039;t believe these stereotypes myself! But you see them a lot in British advertising and media.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. I can see that &#8220;Hungry Man&#8221; is aimed at men (duh) but don&#8217;t get the &#8220;implicit whiteness&#8221;. What&#8217;s uniquely white about barbecues or sports? (I suppose one could say that &#8220;Swanson&#8221; has a vaguely Scandinavian air, but only vaguely.)</p>
<p>The rest of the products I mostly see as neither particularly masculinised or femininised (though the top Lean Cuisine is quite pink, it&#8217;s true.) They do look higher-quality and, I agree, seem to aim for a cosmopolitan air in their choice of wording.</p>
<p>But I just don&#8217;t buy that the fancier wording is particularly feminized. It sounds like an attempt at chef-speak, and there are still more men at the top levels of restaurant kitchens than women. </p>
<p>If anything, I would associate fancy cooking with the stereotyped male cook, and homely favourites with the stereotyped female cook. Men cook for special occasions, with fancy utensils and with a lot of fuss; women put dinner on the table using whatever&#8217;s in the larder/refrigerator. An example of this would be the recent Hellmann&#8217;s Mayonnaise &#8220;deli chef&#8221; advert where the addition of the mayonnaise transformed Mum into a (male) New York deli cook.</p>
<p>(I don&#8217;t believe these stereotypes myself! But you see them a lot in British advertising and media.)</p>
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		<title>By: mordicai</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mordicai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 14:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[!? made the point I was going to.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>!? made the point I was going to.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 10:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i think Asha hit the nail on the head with this one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think Asha hit the nail on the head with this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Elena</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elena]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 08:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It never ceases to amuse me when I see American foods marketed as &quot;European&quot; which look really strange to Europeans. That lasagna made with curly pasta is a good example (do a Google search for lasagne ricetta restricting the language to Italian and you&#039;ll see that they use only &lt;a href=&quot;http://it.primopiatto.barilla.com/ilmondodellapasta/lapastabarilla/emilianebarilla/htm/prod_199.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;flat pieces&lt;/a&gt;), and I&#039;ve never found a self-respecting bistro that would sell &quot;crustini&quot;, whatever they are :D


Also, I can&#039;t understand how come a dish of pasta stuffed with four different kinds of cheese is marketed as diet food. Seriously.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It never ceases to amuse me when I see American foods marketed as &#8220;European&#8221; which look really strange to Europeans. That lasagna made with curly pasta is a good example (do a Google search for lasagne ricetta restricting the language to Italian and you&#8217;ll see that they use only <a href="http://it.primopiatto.barilla.com/ilmondodellapasta/lapastabarilla/emilianebarilla/htm/prod_199.htm" rel="nofollow">flat pieces</a>), and I&#8217;ve never found a self-respecting bistro that would sell &#8220;crustini&#8221;, whatever they are :D</p>
<p>Also, I can&#8217;t understand how come a dish of pasta stuffed with four different kinds of cheese is marketed as diet food. Seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Asha</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Asha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 08:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All due respect but I have to admit I am concerned that these packages are being mined for race, class, and gender messages in such a way as to reify the stereotypes that are allegedly on display.  

For one to belief that there is racial messaging in the first two packages requires that the viewer extrapolate independently that working class or budget products are necessarily white.  Perhaps it is interesting to point out to our students the tendency to see one thing (working class) and think another (white), but it hardly makes it a property of this package.

This post is strongest where it identifies concrete messaging, such as the use of code phrases like &quot;bistro&quot; or &quot;lean&quot; or the use of uppercase and lowercase letters.  I worry, though, that presenting some of these interpretations to students would have the unintended consequence of priming them to make stereotypical associations instead of priming them to recognize them.  

I prefer to use examples in my classes that actually illustrate the problematic associations of advertisers (such as that between blue collar culture and whiteness) rather than train my students to use logics of practice (i.e. stereotypical understandings of the relationship between race and class) as categories of analysis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All due respect but I have to admit I am concerned that these packages are being mined for race, class, and gender messages in such a way as to reify the stereotypes that are allegedly on display.  </p>
<p>For one to belief that there is racial messaging in the first two packages requires that the viewer extrapolate independently that working class or budget products are necessarily white.  Perhaps it is interesting to point out to our students the tendency to see one thing (working class) and think another (white), but it hardly makes it a property of this package.</p>
<p>This post is strongest where it identifies concrete messaging, such as the use of code phrases like &#8220;bistro&#8221; or &#8220;lean&#8221; or the use of uppercase and lowercase letters.  I worry, though, that presenting some of these interpretations to students would have the unintended consequence of priming them to make stereotypical associations instead of priming them to recognize them.  </p>
<p>I prefer to use examples in my classes that actually illustrate the problematic associations of advertisers (such as that between blue collar culture and whiteness) rather than train my students to use logics of practice (i.e. stereotypical understandings of the relationship between race and class) as categories of analysis.</p>
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