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	<title>Comments on: Unsnobby Coffee: McDonald&#8217;s Takes on Starbucks</title>
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		<title>By: Websites tagged "intellectualism" on Postsaver</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] saved by weelassie2009-01-13 - Comment on Teachers Needed! by Martin Kim saved by pe32009-01-12 - UNSNOBBY COFFEE: MCDONALD’S TAKES ON STARBUCKS saved by PrincessPotter162008-12-19 - Anyone think this sounds racist? saved by windfate2008-12-17 [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] saved by weelassie2009-01-13 &#8211; Comment on Teachers Needed! by Martin Kim saved by pe32009-01-12 &#8211; UNSNOBBY COFFEE: MCDONALD’S TAKES ON STARBUCKS saved by PrincessPotter162008-12-19 &#8211; Anyone think this sounds racist? saved by windfate2008-12-17 [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Sunday Links &#171; The Oyster&#8217;s Garter</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2008/09/11/unsnobby-coffee-mcdonalds-takes-on-starbucks/comment-page-1/#comment-2983</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sunday Links &#171; The Oyster&#8217;s Garter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] McDonald&#8217;s coffee liberates stuffy, sexless, intellectuals who know where Paraguay is. Whatever, McDonald&#8217;s - you can pry my standard-issue marine biologist Teva sandals from my cold, dead, pretentious fingers. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] McDonald&#8217;s coffee liberates stuffy, sexless, intellectuals who know where Paraguay is. Whatever, McDonald&#8217;s &#8211; you can pry my standard-issue marine biologist Teva sandals from my cold, dead, pretentious fingers. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: gwen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gwen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, Abby, I definitely think lots of people would be uncomfortable in Starbucks (or other coffee shops), and the need to pronounce Italian words you&#039;ve never seen before could be a real turnoff. As a grad student I had to try to adjust to the coffee shop culture, and I never really did--I just can&#039;t concentrate in them.

I just hate the way, as you point out, the commercial implies that wanting to avoid that type of possibly intimidating or pretentious environment means also being &quot;free&quot; to wear short skirts and heels...as though you don&#039;t see either of those things at Starbucks. Why wouldn&#039;t NOT wearing heels be more &quot;authentic&quot; than wearing them? It&#039;s a really bizarre mixture of items that are portrayed as authentic and &quot;real.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Abby, I definitely think lots of people would be uncomfortable in Starbucks (or other coffee shops), and the need to pronounce Italian words you&#8217;ve never seen before could be a real turnoff. As a grad student I had to try to adjust to the coffee shop culture, and I never really did&#8211;I just can&#8217;t concentrate in them.</p>
<p>I just hate the way, as you point out, the commercial implies that wanting to avoid that type of possibly intimidating or pretentious environment means also being &#8220;free&#8221; to wear short skirts and heels&#8230;as though you don&#8217;t see either of those things at Starbucks. Why wouldn&#8217;t NOT wearing heels be more &#8220;authentic&#8221; than wearing them? It&#8217;s a really bizarre mixture of items that are portrayed as authentic and &#8220;real.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Abby</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Abby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 14:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Huh, who knew my discomfort in heels and minis is just some kind of false consciousness created by all those coffee shops I frequent.

To be fair, though, I don&#039;t think McDonalds is just inventing a demographic here. I have had friends who felt awkward and out of place in coffee shops and were much more comfortable ordering food at McDonalds (because they grew up eating fast food and coffee shops were new to them). To them, I am sure, trying to fit into the &quot;intellectual&quot; cafe vibe felt like posing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh, who knew my discomfort in heels and minis is just some kind of false consciousness created by all those coffee shops I frequent.</p>
<p>To be fair, though, I don&#8217;t think McDonalds is just inventing a demographic here. I have had friends who felt awkward and out of place in coffee shops and were much more comfortable ordering food at McDonalds (because they grew up eating fast food and coffee shops were new to them). To them, I am sure, trying to fit into the &#8220;intellectual&#8221; cafe vibe felt like posing.</p>
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		<title>By: My Five Year Plan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; McDonalds, Starbucks, and Sarah Palin</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2008/09/11/unsnobby-coffee-mcdonalds-takes-on-starbucks/comment-page-1/#comment-2979</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[My Five Year Plan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; McDonalds, Starbucks, and Sarah Palin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 22:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] yeah, here&#8217;s that post, from Sociological Images: it&#8217;s about the way a McDonalds commercial underlines a distrust of [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] yeah, here&#8217;s that post, from Sociological Images: it&#8217;s about the way a McDonalds commercial underlines a distrust of [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Interrobang</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Interrobang]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 05:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a jeans-and-turtlenecks-wearing intellectual who can&#039;t walk in heels, and never wears skirts.  Oh noes!  The Gender Police haven&#039;t shown up at my door yet demanding my Woman Card back, though.  Must be the large earrings and longish hair.

I also never eat at McDonald&#039;s.  I&#039;ve got better things to do with my body than stuff my face full of greasy toadburgers, and I refuse to eat in venues that smell like dirty diapers.  

So I guess I&#039;m entirely not in their target demographic.  Good thing I also stopped watching television years ago...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a jeans-and-turtlenecks-wearing intellectual who can&#8217;t walk in heels, and never wears skirts.  Oh noes!  The Gender Police haven&#8217;t shown up at my door yet demanding my Woman Card back, though.  Must be the large earrings and longish hair.</p>
<p>I also never eat at McDonald&#8217;s.  I&#8217;ve got better things to do with my body than stuff my face full of greasy toadburgers, and I refuse to eat in venues that smell like dirty diapers.  </p>
<p>So I guess I&#8217;m entirely not in their target demographic.  Good thing I also stopped watching television years ago&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Nerd</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Nerd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only way not wearing high heels could be correlated to intellignece is the ability to understand the health risks assicated with those shoes (such as falling down and breaking something).  But I read books and blog about science, and I wear short skirts, and I am most definitely not a hipster or &quot;authentic&quot;.  Well, I&#039;m authentically Andrea, and that&#039;s really all there is to it.

As far as the success of this anti-intellectual advertising, I only need drive by McDonalds after 10 on a Friday night to see the kind of people who consider that the happening place to be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only way not wearing high heels could be correlated to intellignece is the ability to understand the health risks assicated with those shoes (such as falling down and breaking something).  But I read books and blog about science, and I wear short skirts, and I am most definitely not a hipster or &#8220;authentic&#8221;.  Well, I&#8217;m authentically Andrea, and that&#8217;s really all there is to it.</p>
<p>As far as the success of this anti-intellectual advertising, I only need drive by McDonalds after 10 on a Friday night to see the kind of people who consider that the happening place to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Elena</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elena]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here in Spain Starbucks never made it big, because you can buy a decent, cheap coffee in any bar... and we have the highest bar density in Europe :D

(See also: café &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torrefacto&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;torrefacto&lt;/a&gt;. John Hooper describes the local coffee in &lt;i&gt;The New Spaniards&lt;/i&gt; as &quot;the gastronomic equivalent of Semtex&quot;)

FWIW, it never ceases to amuse me that tapas are an intellectual/ trendy kind of food in the States.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in Spain Starbucks never made it big, because you can buy a decent, cheap coffee in any bar&#8230; and we have the highest bar density in Europe :D</p>
<p>(See also: café <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torrefacto" rel="nofollow">torrefacto</a>. John Hooper describes the local coffee in <i>The New Spaniards</i> as &#8220;the gastronomic equivalent of Semtex&#8221;)</p>
<p>FWIW, it never ceases to amuse me that tapas are an intellectual/ trendy kind of food in the States.</p>
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		<title>By: pharmacopaeia</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pharmacopaeia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 06:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps not entirely on-topic - these ads, to me, are also a good example of the way that identical products are often differently marketed in different countries to suit different situations and populations.

For instance, here in New Zealand, there is a strong &#039;espresso culture&#039; that barely seems to have been dented by the introduction of Starbucks into the marketplace 10 years ago. As such, McCafé markets itself as a rival to your local espresso house by advertising itself as upmarket, indulgent and luxurious (see http://www.mcdonalds.co.nz/mccafe/promotions.asp) - but with the convenience of a McDonalds. This ad emphasises that in the way that it marks one of the (upper middle class white) women as laughable and gauche for not &#039;understanding&#039; the concept. Rather than attacking the perceived elitism (socio-economic and otherwise) of cafés, McCafé aspires to this ideal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-d6u1TjaaU]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps not entirely on-topic &#8211; these ads, to me, are also a good example of the way that identical products are often differently marketed in different countries to suit different situations and populations.</p>
<p>For instance, here in New Zealand, there is a strong &#8216;espresso culture&#8217; that barely seems to have been dented by the introduction of Starbucks into the marketplace 10 years ago. As such, McCafé markets itself as a rival to your local espresso house by advertising itself as upmarket, indulgent and luxurious (see <a href="http://www.mcdonalds.co.nz/mccafe/promotions.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.mcdonalds.co.nz/mccafe/promotions.asp</a>) &#8211; but with the convenience of a McDonalds. This ad emphasises that in the way that it marks one of the (upper middle class white) women as laughable and gauche for not &#8216;understanding&#8217; the concept. Rather than attacking the perceived elitism (socio-economic and otherwise) of cafés, McCafé aspires to this ideal.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-d6u1TjaaU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-d6u1TjaaU</a></p>
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