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		<title>By: Michael E. Marotta</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 18:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I apologize for the delay.

Early accounting: the tally and checkerboard, by W. T. Baxter, in The Accounting Historians Journal, 1989, Vol 16. No 2. PP 43-84.
Medieval accounting by M. Chatfield in A History of Accounting: An International Encyclopedia, 12996b, pp 412-414.

The medieval experience, 300-1400 By Jill N. Claster (New York: NYU Press, 1982.) pp 281-282

The Dialogus De Scaccario (c.1179): The First Western Book on Accounting? by Michael J. Jones in Abacus, Vol. 44, No. 4, pp. 443-474, December 2008 

Accounting in the late medieval town: the account books of the stewards of Southampton in the fifteenth century
by Anne Thick in Accounting, Business &amp; Financial History, 1466-4275, Volume 9, Issue 3, 1999, Pages 265 – 290

This message board is well regarded by numismatists and I cite it to show that we accept the origins of the &quot;exchequer&quot; in the medieval checkerboard accouting.
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=48184.0
by Arminius
Re: French medieval copper coin or medal ? 
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2008, 11:57:34 pm »  
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With your helping interpretation i found it.
A French &quot;calculation token&quot; from the 15th century:
http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=430882&amp;AucID=318&amp;Lot=6482
from http://www.finds.org.uk:
Reckoning counters (commonly known as jetons) are coin-like objects, usually made of copper alloy, intended to assist in arithmetical calculations, particularly in accountancy, at times when illiteracy was widespread and cumbersome Roman numerals were used to record values and sums of money.
They would normally be used with a checkerboard or cloth, in a process similar to using an abacus. Initially actual coins were used in reckoning, but from the late 13th century special counters were made. They came into general use from the 14th century and continued to be widely used in accounting until the late 17th century, when the spread of Arabic numerals made written calculations much simpler, reducing greatly reliance on manual reckoning.
From the early 15th century France initially was the main supplier for jetons. The city of Tournai was a major manufacturing centre. The stylised designs, such as crowns, the French coat of arms and decorated crosses, used on these imports were based on French coin-types. Religious inscriptions, such as AVE MARIA GRACIA PLENA (Hail Mary, full of grace), were common, but the legends soon became garbled.
Nuremberg took over as the main European centre for jeton manufacture in the 16th century.
regards
ps: to rearrange the reverse like a decorated cross results in a very misshaped figure (second picture). 
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Mike M.
Michael E. Marotta]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize for the delay.</p>
<p>Early accounting: the tally and checkerboard, by W. T. Baxter, in The Accounting Historians Journal, 1989, Vol 16. No 2. PP 43-84.<br />
Medieval accounting by M. Chatfield in A History of Accounting: An International Encyclopedia, 12996b, pp 412-414.</p>
<p>The medieval experience, 300-1400 By Jill N. Claster (New York: NYU Press, 1982.) pp 281-282</p>
<p>The Dialogus De Scaccario (c.1179): The First Western Book on Accounting? by Michael J. Jones in Abacus, Vol. 44, No. 4, pp. 443-474, December 2008 </p>
<p>Accounting in the late medieval town: the account books of the stewards of Southampton in the fifteenth century<br />
by Anne Thick in Accounting, Business &amp; Financial History, 1466-4275, Volume 9, Issue 3, 1999, Pages 265 – 290</p>
<p>This message board is well regarded by numismatists and I cite it to show that we accept the origins of the &#8220;exchequer&#8221; in the medieval checkerboard accouting.<br />
<a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=48184.0" rel="nofollow">http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=48184.0</a><br />
by Arminius<br />
Re: French medieval copper coin or medal ?<br />
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2008, 11:57:34 pm »<br />
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With your helping interpretation i found it.<br />
A French &#8220;calculation token&#8221; from the 15th century:<br />
<a href="http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=430882&#038;AucID=318&#038;Lot=6482" rel="nofollow">http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=430882&#038;AucID=318&#038;Lot=6482</a><br />
from <a href="http://www.finds.org.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.finds.org.uk</a>:<br />
Reckoning counters (commonly known as jetons) are coin-like objects, usually made of copper alloy, intended to assist in arithmetical calculations, particularly in accountancy, at times when illiteracy was widespread and cumbersome Roman numerals were used to record values and sums of money.<br />
They would normally be used with a checkerboard or cloth, in a process similar to using an abacus. Initially actual coins were used in reckoning, but from the late 13th century special counters were made. They came into general use from the 14th century and continued to be widely used in accounting until the late 17th century, when the spread of Arabic numerals made written calculations much simpler, reducing greatly reliance on manual reckoning.<br />
From the early 15th century France initially was the main supplier for jetons. The city of Tournai was a major manufacturing centre. The stylised designs, such as crowns, the French coat of arms and decorated crosses, used on these imports were based on French coin-types. Religious inscriptions, such as AVE MARIA GRACIA PLENA (Hail Mary, full of grace), were common, but the legends soon became garbled.<br />
Nuremberg took over as the main European centre for jeton manufacture in the 16th century.<br />
regards<br />
ps: to rearrange the reverse like a decorated cross results in a very misshaped figure (second picture).<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
Mike M.<br />
Michael E. Marotta</p>
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		<title>By: Enyita Calais</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow! Great treatment of polymonetary shenanigans. Somehow, it seems like you should work more Proust into your thesis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! Great treatment of polymonetary shenanigans. Somehow, it seems like you should work more Proust into your thesis.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael E. Marotta</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/economicsociology/2009/05/29/plus-ca-change-on-money-memory-and-meaning/comment-page-1/#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael E. Marotta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 20:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brooke asks for citations.  Sorry, but all of that is in boxes for now.  It is something I learned a long time ago, but I do revisit the material.  I have an article appearing in THE CELATOR in September or October on the fairs of medieval Champagne.  

However, I promise not to dodge the challenge to prove my claim.  I am finishing a couple of graduate courses this month for Spring Semester.  I am free for the summer term, so, I will dig for the research that I relied on in the first place and then come back to post the validations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brooke asks for citations.  Sorry, but all of that is in boxes for now.  It is something I learned a long time ago, but I do revisit the material.  I have an article appearing in THE CELATOR in September or October on the fairs of medieval Champagne.  </p>
<p>However, I promise not to dodge the challenge to prove my claim.  I am finishing a couple of graduate courses this month for Spring Semester.  I am free for the summer term, so, I will dig for the research that I relied on in the first place and then come back to post the validations.</p>
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		<title>By: Brooke</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brooke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 08:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is fascinating! Can you say more about the checkerboard accounting systems of the Middle Ages? I&#039;ve never heard of such a thing. Of course, I can google it, but I thought you might have some references at hand. 
To other readers, if you liked Michael&#039;s comment as much as I did, check out his Numismatics webpage--it&#039;s full of images and nistorical commentary. http://www.washtenawjustice.com/numismatics.htm
Also, check out the virtual tour of the Museum of Money in Paris, France. An in-person visit is well worth a few hours, but this website will give you an idea of the incredible range of cool stuff they have on display, all of it rich with sociological significance (pun intended). http://www.monnaiedeparis.com/musee/visite.htm#]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is fascinating! Can you say more about the checkerboard accounting systems of the Middle Ages? I&#8217;ve never heard of such a thing. Of course, I can google it, but I thought you might have some references at hand.<br />
To other readers, if you liked Michael&#8217;s comment as much as I did, check out his Numismatics webpage&#8211;it&#8217;s full of images and nistorical commentary. <a href="http://www.washtenawjustice.com/numismatics.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.washtenawjustice.com/numismatics.htm</a><br />
Also, check out the virtual tour of the Museum of Money in Paris, France. An in-person visit is well worth a few hours, but this website will give you an idea of the incredible range of cool stuff they have on display, all of it rich with sociological significance (pun intended). <a href="http://www.monnaiedeparis.com/musee/visite.htm#" rel="nofollow">http://www.monnaiedeparis.com/musee/visite.htm#</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael E. Marotta</title>
		<link>http://thesocietypages.org/economicsociology/2009/05/29/plus-ca-change-on-money-memory-and-meaning/comment-page-1/#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael E. Marotta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 03:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Numismatists have some good approximation that Pounds-Shillings-Pence continued in America for at least one generation after the Federal Constitution.  Dollars-and-cents bookkeeping did not sweep the field.  In fact, throughout the USA into the 1850s, banks issued paper money with images of SPANISH coins (Mexican, Peruvian, etc.) because people knew them better than federal issues -- hence &quot;two bits&quot; for a quarter.  (See here: http://scoan.oldnote.org/)

Moreover, the so-called &quot;dollar&quot; sign is used for the Mexican peso, but was also the mark of the Portuguese escudo before the euro.  So, the semata was ambiguous, as opposed, say to the scripty L for pounds UKP or the double-bar Y for yen JPY.

We have several theories for the dollar as a &quot;buck&quot; most common being the value of a buckskin at a trading post.  However, to &quot;pass the buck&quot; seems to have a different origin entirely, refering to a buckhorn-handled knife, perhaps, passed with the deal at card games.

In the UK they call the treasury the &quot;exchequer&quot; and we forget that this refers to the checkerboard accounting systems of the middle ages, and we still call bank drafts &quot;checks&quot; perhaps from the same source.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Numismatists have some good approximation that Pounds-Shillings-Pence continued in America for at least one generation after the Federal Constitution.  Dollars-and-cents bookkeeping did not sweep the field.  In fact, throughout the USA into the 1850s, banks issued paper money with images of SPANISH coins (Mexican, Peruvian, etc.) because people knew them better than federal issues &#8212; hence &#8220;two bits&#8221; for a quarter.  (See here: <a href="http://scoan.oldnote.org/" rel="nofollow">http://scoan.oldnote.org/</a>)</p>
<p>Moreover, the so-called &#8220;dollar&#8221; sign is used for the Mexican peso, but was also the mark of the Portuguese escudo before the euro.  So, the semata was ambiguous, as opposed, say to the scripty L for pounds UKP or the double-bar Y for yen JPY.</p>
<p>We have several theories for the dollar as a &#8220;buck&#8221; most common being the value of a buckskin at a trading post.  However, to &#8220;pass the buck&#8221; seems to have a different origin entirely, refering to a buckhorn-handled knife, perhaps, passed with the deal at card games.</p>
<p>In the UK they call the treasury the &#8220;exchequer&#8221; and we forget that this refers to the checkerboard accounting systems of the middle ages, and we still call bank drafts &#8220;checks&#8221; perhaps from the same source.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Livingston</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jay Livingston]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;based on the value of the item in question: the price of trifles can be expressed in euros, but something truly precious can only be priced in old (pre-1960) francs!&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

The key word in the title might not be &lt;i&gt;change&lt;/i&gt; but &lt;i&gt;memory&lt;/i&gt;.  That is, the true variable affecting which currency to use is not the price but frequency of purchase.  If the first time you bought a house or a car was a long time ago, you paid old francs.  So if you want to be able to compare what a house or car today costs, you think in terms of old francs.  And even if you were born after the conversion to new francs, you still grew up hearing people talking about the prices of these things in old francs.   

So, like you, I am surprised that the price of toothpaste still has a price in new francs.  But go up the road and ask the price of a 1959 Pol Roger, and you might well qet a quote in old francs.   . .with a whole lot of zeros.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;based on the value of the item in question: the price of trifles can be expressed in euros, but something truly precious can only be priced in old (pre-1960) francs!&#8221;</i></p>
<p>The key word in the title might not be <i>change</i> but <i>memory</i>.  That is, the true variable affecting which currency to use is not the price but frequency of purchase.  If the first time you bought a house or a car was a long time ago, you paid old francs.  So if you want to be able to compare what a house or car today costs, you think in terms of old francs.  And even if you were born after the conversion to new francs, you still grew up hearing people talking about the prices of these things in old francs.   </p>
<p>So, like you, I am surprised that the price of toothpaste still has a price in new francs.  But go up the road and ask the price of a 1959 Pol Roger, and you might well qet a quote in old francs.   . .with a whole lot of zeros.</p>
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