Comments on: #ShirtStorm: On Forgiving Taylor but not The Internet http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/2014/11/16/shirtstorm-on-forgiving-taylor-but-not-the-internet/ We live in a cyborg society. Technology has infiltrated the most fundamental aspects of our lives: social organization, the body, even our self-concepts. This blog chronicles our new, augmented reality. Thu, 09 Apr 2015 17:52:45 +0000 hourly 1 By: Alan http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/2014/11/16/shirtstorm-on-forgiving-taylor-but-not-the-internet/#comment-525419 Wed, 19 Nov 2014 00:43:45 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/?p=19401#comment-525419 OOps typo

should read

Most of them can barely count. One can’t read at all. None of them are confident readers.

Sorry

]]> By: Alan http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/2014/11/16/shirtstorm-on-forgiving-taylor-but-not-the-internet/#comment-525416 Wed, 19 Nov 2014 00:41:57 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/?p=19401#comment-525416 Not enough women in science? Where have I heard that before?
I am a voluntary teacher of 13-18 year olds of both sexes. I have worked in the aviation industry as well as other technical industries.
None of my pupils, of either sex, would consider science or engineering as a career. They want to be footballers or beauticians, or whatever is the latest fad on TV (e.g. vets).
Science and engineering mean hard work. They mean spending serious amounts of time learning things, then passing proper exams to prove that you have learned these things. My pupils get multiple guess open book joke exams they can re-sit as many times as they want. They think that is too hard.
My pupils’ only real interest is other peoples’ relationships.
Most of them can barely count. One can’t read at all, and none of them are not readers. Most have never read an entire book all the way through. That would be too hard.

If it is any consolation, it is not only the girls who are strangers to the real world, so are the boys. I do not believe that any of them will ever be scientists or engineers. If they are really lucky one or two might become a Kwik Fit Fitter. That is as close to science as they will ever get.

None of my pupils have “special needs”. They are just ordinary kids who go to ordinary schools. They are socio-politically conditioned. That process is controlled by people who think that civilisation depends on art galleries,literature poetry and slogans.

I do not believe that this is the fault of the patriarchy. It is the fault of the education system.
I believe it is entirely intentional.

Don’t believe me? Have a look at this:
http://teachingbattleground.wordpress.com/

That is why there aren’t enough women in science or civil, mechanical or electrical engineering, or aeronautical engineering. Or electronics. Or mechatronics. etc etc.

]]> By: Quib http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/2014/11/16/shirtstorm-on-forgiving-taylor-but-not-the-internet/#comment-525409 Wed, 19 Nov 2014 00:08:52 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/?p=19401#comment-525409 Over reaction to criticism is a technique for controlling the narrative, that has worked really well for all kinds of backlash and reactionary movements.

It’s really aggravating to watch it play out over and over again.

He got a few comments about how his shirt is inappropriate for the event and his position. Which get’s spun as an “attack”.

It’s blatant hyperbole that deflects everything on to the tone of the criticism.

]]> By: po http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/2014/11/16/shirtstorm-on-forgiving-taylor-but-not-the-internet/#comment-524876 Tue, 18 Nov 2014 02:11:44 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/?p=19401#comment-524876 What harm did he cause? I can’t get over this, at the height of science and physics people are calling this man a misogynist. He had several women working on this project with him and I havent heard one person speak to their involvement. Possitive views, I mean. This guy obviously lives and breathes science, I don’t see him caring at all what he wears. He was given the shirt by his friend (a woman I might add) for his birthday before this event and was wearing it to honor her. You realize everyone that is lashing out at this guy is actually insulting the woman who made the shirt for him. He didn’t care what he was wearing, why should anyone else? I hate that this has overshadowed a monumental leap in the future of human exsistance to basically ostracize a man for wearing a shirt. We shouldn’t call women in revealing outfits sluts and we should not call men in anime shirts misogynists. That is the meaning of equality. It means not jumping the gun because we can.

]]> By: Comradde PhysioProffe http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/2014/11/16/shirtstorm-on-forgiving-taylor-but-not-the-internet/#comment-524772 Mon, 17 Nov 2014 23:38:45 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/?p=19401#comment-524772 Yeah, I think my initial reaction merits revision. Equally plausible interpretation is that he genuinely recognized and felt bad about the harm that he caused.

]]> By: Martyn http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/2014/11/16/shirtstorm-on-forgiving-taylor-but-not-the-internet/#comment-524770 Mon, 17 Nov 2014 23:20:08 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/?p=19401#comment-524770 It made sense to me. The realization that you just did something that made not only yourself but also your respected colleagues and your profession look bad can be trying. He seems like a good man who did the right thing and took responsibility for that, and tried to correct it. I’d be surprised if he wasn’t a bit emotional about it all, given that acknowledging and correcting misogyny in oneself is difficult to do.

]]> By: James DiGioia http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/2014/11/16/shirtstorm-on-forgiving-taylor-but-not-the-internet/#comment-524653 Mon, 17 Nov 2014 13:05:41 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/?p=19401#comment-524653 I don’t know if I would interpret it that way. I thought it was more an act of contrition for what he realizes now was a big mistake.

]]> By: Anon in Socks http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/2014/11/16/shirtstorm-on-forgiving-taylor-but-not-the-internet/#comment-524613 Mon, 17 Nov 2014 11:20:48 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/?p=19401#comment-524613 “We feminists would like to get back to the science…”

That’s just a BS way to drop the “internet death threats come from your side” accusation. The drama’s still going on with both sides arguing over just how “misogynistic” wearing that shirt was (the current middle-ground seems to be “it was inappropriate for television but not sexist”).

“Feminists” aren’t any more interested in the science than the people who complained about Comic Sans on another mission. But the article is clearly biased and I will be avoiding this site in future, Jenny.

@PhysioProffe: Misogyny Drama has caused both supporters and opponents to lose their jobs, whatever industry they’re in. The Rosetta probe was already having problems, so the extra stress on top wasn’t needed.

]]> By: Ribbit http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/2014/11/16/shirtstorm-on-forgiving-taylor-but-not-the-internet/#comment-524146 Mon, 17 Nov 2014 01:20:02 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/?p=19401#comment-524146 “his misogynist behavior” . . . seriously? You seem . . .dumb.

]]> By: Ribbit http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/2014/11/16/shirtstorm-on-forgiving-taylor-but-not-the-internet/#comment-524144 Mon, 17 Nov 2014 01:19:17 +0000 http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/?p=19401#comment-524144 This is so not misogyny. And you are so not a real scholar . . . you are actually defending the outrage-ocracy. Sociology used to be a real social science. Exactly what is that you do?

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